Apogee Duet - weird echo effect!

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DerrO

Apogee Duet - weird echo effect!
« on: 13 Aug 2008, 11:49 pm »
I have been using the Apogee Duet for some time now, but have reservations about it. All music from my cd's is ripped 44/16 to my MacBook. I am using iTunes and before you ask, all effects, equalizers enhancers are off. Audio Midi is set, (yes prior to opening iTunes) to 44/24.

My problem(?) is that while playing if I hit "pause", I am hearing a very  brief echo type effect at the instant of stopping the music.  Similar to speaker cabinet resonance in a poor cheap speaker. And before you suggest that  it is my amp or speakers,  let me say that I am using a pair of 300B mono-block amplifiers and open baffle speakers and also Sennheiser HD580 headphones and this  effect  is not there when I use any other source or other cd player.  I have  narrowed it down  specificaly and only to the use of the Apogee Duet.  If I use the Sennheisers directly into the MacBook, there is no problem, but the problem is aso  there when I use the Apogee Duet as a headphone amplifier, thereby eliminating the rest of  my system.

In addition I do have also some reservations about the  upper top end and especially crash cymbals which all  appear one  note and "tizzy" or  better still they sound just like a three year old kiddies drum kit with a 3" cymbal and have absolutley no body to them.  Sounds more like tambourine than a cymbal!

.... or is it just me?

Anyone care to comment or anyone out there using the Duet  that cares  to talk about it?  Anyone experiencing similar?

Thanks  for reading and hope  that someone  will have something to say!

DerrO

DerrO

Solved!
« Reply #1 on: 20 Aug 2008, 04:45 pm »
Well, after much pulling out of my hair and substituting a iMac for the MacBook, I was further convinved that there was most definitely some very badly amiss.

Turns out that that just after I got my MacBook and before I got an external DAC, that I downloaded an equalizer application called "Hear" by daemon/joesoft. THIS was the culprit and even though I removed ALL files associated with it there was one hidden deep deep within a system folder and it was this plug-in that was causing the problem. I have since seen that others too have had the very same experience with this application.

I can NOW and only now hear the full glory of the Apogee DUET and it is simply STUNNING!

I just had to satisfy my curiosity as to how the Apogee MiniDAC was in comparison to the Apogee DUET, so I dropped into my dealer who by luck had a MiniDAC Demo unit. I said that I want to know how the two stood up against each other and his unhesitating answer was "DUET is better!" ..... but as we know, we need to hear this for ourselves, especially since this guy had not actually compared one against the other.

As it happens, this was a demo unit and he said that if I wanted I could do a straight swap against my new DUET. With that in mind, I was not swayed by the prices of the units - since effectively they would cost me the same, no matter which I choose.

Well, now after extensive and tortuous listening sessions with both I have come to a final conclusion. Both were level matched and each had similar VandenHul interconnect between DAC and my 300B S.E.T. amplifier The MiniDAC was connected by the USB connection and the DUET by Firewire.its XLR balanced outputs are far (way, way far) superior to its mini-jack 3.5mm outputs

The Apogee MiniDAC is most certainly an extremely good DAC, but in comparison to the DUET, the MiniDAC is slightly smaller scale and not as full bodied and a tad hard sounding at times.... a little clinical, very slightly mechanical and closed maybe. The DUET after that just opens up everything - HUGE sounding - wonderful wider soundstage with far better depth than the MiniDAC and vocals sound more natural. Phrasing and emotional expression is just easier to grasp with the DUET. Strings sounded like strings on the DUET, whereas on the MiniDac they were all there OK, but seemed smaller scale and thinner sounding.

I am totally convinced and happy with the DUET. For me, definitely better sounding than the MiniDAc - within the context of MY system and MY preferences.

When you read this, it may look like to you that there big differences between the two, but that in fact is not the case - what we are talking about here are minor, very minor changes in the presentation.

Just wanted to put things straight in case my post may have caused some to be swayed from the Apogee Duet..... the problem was nothing to do with the Duet, but it was my system that was at fault.

The integration, use and asthetics of the Duet with the Macbook is simply superb and works beautifully.
Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and or to post inn responce to my initial problem.

Regards
DerrO

Crimson

Re: Apogee Duet - weird echo effect!
« Reply #2 on: 20 Aug 2008, 07:23 pm »
Great to hear it all worked out!  :D

chosenhandle

Re: Apogee Duet - weird echo effect!
« Reply #3 on: 21 Aug 2008, 01:46 pm »
I was at home trying to replicate your problem and couldn't make it happen. Glad you found the culprit.