Compression Drivers

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maestrodave

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Re: Compression Drivers
« Reply #20 on: 12 Aug 2008, 02:24 am »
I recently bought a pair of Altec 511B multi section horns that came out of a pair of A-7s.  I want to mount them on a forklift for a "street opera" I'm working on. What kind of drivers should I install if I want to use them as a PA system running on 12v batteries. Should they be 4 ohm?  (Most car stereo amps I'm finding are rated for 4 ohms)  OR should I go with 8 ohms and use a power inverter to run a 110v amp off of 12v batteries.

Dave

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Re: Compression Drivers
« Reply #21 on: 12 Aug 2008, 02:24 am »
macrojack,.... do you mean like these?



Oswald's mill Audio's speakers, ala Jonathan Weiss (and Bill Woods too I think).  Don't mention my name to Jonathan, he has no love for me right now.   :roll: 

That system sounds like its gonna rock! 

I am still waffling over the exact path I'll take.  Right now, I have some birch ply waiting to be cut into baffles to try out a hi-eff OB design, that I've mention here once or twice.  (12" geddes waveguides, B&C DE250, JBL 2123h, 2x Lambda TD15X). 

Another kindly gentleman helped me draw up some plans for a midrange horn (238hz -1.3khz) with a tractrix profile loaded JBL 2123H that will target 90º directivity at 1khz to mate with the 12" Geddes WG.  Those will take some time to build.  Probably next year's project. 

I got my finger on the trigger for a pair of Radian 850pb 2" cd's.  Don't know what horn i'd load them with or how I'd use them exactly but they are seriously tempting none-the-less.   A project for years to come maybe?  Its too easy to bury yourself in projects.


macrojack

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Re: Compression Drivers
« Reply #22 on: 12 Aug 2008, 12:17 pm »
Josh- Time isn't as much of a problem for me as money. If this project becomes a non-starter, that will be why.

The photo you sent is a variation on my theme. In all likelihood those OMA jobs in the picture have Cogent Field coils behind the horns so that speaker is going to cost upwards of $60K/pr. I didn't ask but $100K is surely possible.

I don't know how to post a photo here but the differences I see between the OMA and my destination are bass cabinet appearance and tweeter choice. What I would build will be functionally the same but would have a boxier bass cabinet and a bullet tweeter with the tweet mounted in the horn stand. Not as slick looking but about a Lexus cheaper and at least close in performance.

I'm sure Bill had a strong influence on the OMA design.

And then there remains the question of, "Do I really want to give up my Zus?" They're a known commodity and awfully good sounding. What if I spend six months and every nickel I can wrap my fingers around on the 3-way horn rig and I'm not thrilled? I will have large unshippable, home-made, no-name speakers on my hands that most people wouldn't look at twice because they don't have a name or reviewer blessing.

Oh well, they say you can't move forward if you are holding onto something behind you.

JoshK

Re: Compression Drivers
« Reply #23 on: 12 Aug 2008, 03:08 pm »
Macrojack....  I am completely with you on your dilemna.  The encouragement I can give is buy good and highly sought after drivers, then if for some reason you had to scrap everything, you can hock the drivers at reasonable resale.  Horns can always fetch good used prices as they almost never come up for sale since so few are made commercially and it is a real effort to negotiate custom made ones.

It boils down to your commitment to slugging it out, even when hurdles are hit.  If you are willing to sell certain components that didn't work out and buy components needed to modify your initial idea, in a way that has hope of working, then it isn't so bad.  I think we, the so inclined to diy/learn/build, are especially impowered today with the availability of modern digital crossovers (Behr DCX, DEQX, other pro versions) that makes try and error of crossover development much quicker and less painful. 

Even if you don't ultimately use the digital crossover in the end result, the ability to experiment in near real time with time delays, slopes and points with a digital crossover and a set of amps (how about a cheaper receiver with multichannel analog inputs) to determine what is needed is greatly valuable.  Then you can build the passive version to match the digital as best as you can. 

It narrow the possibilities greatly.  To me it is a game changing event.  This justified the DEQX cost for me, since regardless of its marketing points it is an incredibly powerful development tool that puts the power of speaker development in my own hands.  There is an associated learning curve, but it is much less than before in many ways, or at the very least enables the learning of the speaker design process which was much more difficult before.