Age old question: what's in the signal chain?

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Bill Epstein

Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« on: 7 Jul 2008, 11:37 pm »
Been reading Tubesforevers Cornet mod posts and review. Tempted to get some Russian caps.

I'm building another iteration of my Cornet right now and went with Kiwames 100%. Spent a lot of time looking at the schematic, wondering which resistor positions might be good candidates for going with Caddocks or Vishays besides the inputs. There are a few which are obvious but where do you stop? In the end, I decided the Kiwames were so good-sounding, with such close tolerances that I just stuck with them.

Kinda like the 2-tone green look with the board, as well :wink:

ScottRT

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Re: Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« Reply #1 on: 8 Jul 2008, 02:00 am »
When I upgraded the signal path resistors to nude Vishays, I asked Tubesforever if he had a list. I will share it

2 each (R200) 47K ohm
10 each (R201,208,212,214,219) 221 ohms
2 each (R204) 10k ohms

He also had me replace the two R222 with Kiwame 2watt 330K ohms resistors.

Scott T.

Bill Epstein

Re: Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« Reply #2 on: 8 Jul 2008, 07:46 am »
Yup, those 220ohm are the ones that I had as Kiwames in my original build, grid stoppers and plates,  with the metal films for the rest, except the R200 inputs, which were AN Tants.

I noticed as I was picking them off my damaged board and measuring as I went, that the Kiwames were within < 1% and the metals had a much wider tolerance. I bought a bunch of KOA Speer resistors from Mouser that look and spec the same as Kiwames (if it quacks like a duck) for 16 cents but they all were 22ohm in 220 ohm packages! I inquired and Mouser said they didn't stock 220 ohm. Huh? :roll:

I just discovered that Digikey has Caddock MP-820s for $5.65 each; gonna try some for the inputs.

The caps will be Kimber. Lately I've been using them in place of Auricaps in crossovers and find that they're very similar sounding to Auricaps but with a finer treble. Parts Express has them for about the same price as Auricaps.

rotcoddam

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Re: Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« Reply #3 on: 9 Jul 2008, 03:02 am »
Save!!!... I used the IRC GS3 3 watt resistors from Handmade Audio in the signal path of my Chime on recommendation from others. (replaced the spec'd ones)  Big-time improvement for penny's. I wouldn't have believed 3 resistors could matter like they did. :lol:  Next, I'm putting some in my Cornet2 and I'll report back. (43cents each.)

mingles

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Re: Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« Reply #4 on: 9 Jul 2008, 04:17 am »
> I just discovered that Digikey has Caddock MP-820s for $5.65 each; gonna try some for the inputs.

Bill, if you're going to spend that much on resistors, don't mess around. Spend a buck more and get Texas Components TX2352's. These are the so-called "nude Vishay's." I used them in the signal path in my Cornet2. They're arguably the best audio resistors available at any price. They're better than Caddock and Kiwame. Michael Elliott from Counterpoint/Aria explains the Vishay hierarchy here:

http://www.ariaaudio.com/WVVishay.html

Another good read:

So Many Resistors, So Few Good-Sounding Ones!
http://www.altavistaaudio.com/resistors.html

You can only buy TX2352 direct from Texas Components. They're a small and friendly company. A person actually answers the phone and takes your order. What a novel concept. Their contact info:

http://www.texascomponents.com
resistorinfo@texascomponents.com
713-468-3882

Pricing:

TX2352 (1%) 220R (.6W) $6.95 @ TX
TX2575 (1%) 220R (.6W) $9.40 @ TX
S102K (1%) 220R (.6W) $12.42 @ TX
S102K (1%) 220R (.6W) $11.95 @ Percy

TX2352 (1%) 47K (.6W) $8.34 @ TX
TX2575 (1%) 47K (.6W) $11.28 @ TX
S102K (1%) 47K (.6W) $14.90 @ TX
S102K (1%) 47K (.6W) $13.95 @ Percy

For what it's worth, Texas Components makes the S102k for Vishay.


Bill Epstein

Re: Age old question: what's in the signal chain?
« Reply #5 on: 9 Jul 2008, 07:15 am »
Thanks, Mingles. I came across the Caddocks when I was actually looking for the Vishays.  A pair of 2352 47k seem like a good thing to try at the inputs.