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Don't kill me on this one guys, just thinking aloud.I've already been publicly chastised in the past for having the audacity to utter these words, but can you say......"flavor of the month"?? Just wondering......I hope noone gets their knickers in an uproar.In the years I've been on this board I've certainly seen plenty of that!Gear hyped to the frenzied point, then rapid cooling, then nary a word.I realize us audio-phools are an insecure lot and are constantly seeking confirmation and the holy grail, and I understand full well this is the underpinning of the phenomena.If you like the gear.....fine.But I find the whole Pied Piper and lemming routine just a bit tiring.Peace...out!
Quote from: toobluvr on 23 Jun 2008, 10:36 pmDon't kill me on this one guys, just thinking aloud.I've already been publicly chastised in the past for having the audacity to utter these words, but can you say......"flavor of the month"?? Just wondering......I hope noone gets their knickers in an uproar.In the years I've been on this board I've certainly seen plenty of that!Gear hyped to the frenzied point, then rapid cooling, then nary a word.I realize us audio-phools are an insecure lot and are constantly seeking confirmation and the holy grail, and I understand full well this is the underpinning of the phenomena.If you like the gear.....fine.But I find the whole Pied Piper and lemming routine just a bit tiring.Peace...out! John,My knickers are all knotted up now!! Clearly the CS2's had a lot of buzz and positive momentum following last year's RMAF. I am sure many of the purchases were based on that buzz as well as the desire to try something a little different. For some people, the buzz didn't match their own observations, so they subsequently sold them. I also thinkI do know that some people who purchased the CS2's from me while I was a dealer still have their CS2's and some don't. Me personally, I still have my CS2's and all the comments I made over the last 9 months still hold true. I really like them and think they are a great speaker. Of course, I will sell them at some point in the future (could be tomorrow, could be 2 years from now), but that won't change or invalidate the comments I made along the way.Having had a chance to get to know Clayton (aka Mr. Emerald Physics), I certainly hope that he has continued success and that his newest projects are as successful as the CS2's have been.George
This hobby is really funny...and sometimes hard to figure out. I know they must be good, George....cause I know your ears and your tastes. And other people whose ears I trust also have glowing things to say about the EP. And as you know, I am mightily impressed with Vandy 5A's, and for you to find the EP even close tells me they must be good.But if all I had to go by was my own experience, I would never wanna hear them again!Kindof reminds me of my experience with the Merlin VSM...remember? When everyone was drooling all over them, I couldn't get them out of my place fast enough!Anyways...back to the EP.I actually had them in my main system for a good extended listen....several weeks. I borrowed them from my local audio buddy who has owned stuff I can only dream about. I also heard them in his system with associated gear in a different price league altogether, and they sounded pretty good. Based on that listen, I thought they performed beyond their price point and were good value.But in my system, I was completely unimpressed. And everyone that heard them felt the same, including experienced audio hobbiests. In my system and in my room I found them soft, veiled and completely boring. Not only were they not giant killers for me, I actually preferred my speakers that have a lower list price.And I also felt the stated sensitivity was a huge exaggeration. I have had enough speakers in here to have a good feel for speaker efficiency, and they sounded more like about 85 or 86 db. But despite my own personal experience, I have no doubt they are VG because:* they sounded pretty good at my buddy's place, with minimal tweaking or fuss* I know your taste and you hold them in such high regard and describe them exactly opposite to what I heard, and you actually mention them in the same breath as the mighty Vandy 5A.* I know you would only sell a product that you strongly believe in, and one that offers great value.I figured they didn't work for me because of some kindof anomaly in my setup or room, or maybe some non-simpatico ampage? Who knows......Just goes to show how a supposedly great piece of gear can yield wildly different results in different circumstances. Hard to figure sometimes.John
......In terms of the sensitivity comment...I wonder if the DCX was setup properly? It can be used to seriously cut the db's (by more than 10 db's if I remember correctly) and might explain what you heard. Not trying to say your observations were incorrect, just offering a potential explanation. As for the CS2's sounding good in one room and not another...we both have heard this numerous times with speakers from Coincident, Gallo, Silverline, and Merlin to just name a few. That's why it is so important to hear speakers in your own room with your own gear to truly make a decision. But you already know that! le.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=949&pos=2George
Dave Thanks for the details about the sub search; sounds like it was quite an ordeal. It reminds me of a friend who recently said he's happy not to have to integrate a sub. My current room is the best I've ever had: new construction '07, the floor & wall behind the speakers are concrete. I expect the room will remain solid even while accomodating a low-mid-20 Hz sub. I passed on a great deal on matching OEM subs; they are cosmetic gems but would probably have less power & a higher cutoff than the planned custom subs.I forgot your amp has five channels, one more than required to power the CS2s.
Has anyone measured the CS2 in-room low-frequency (f3) cutoff?
Does it "sound" or "feel" like it makes serious power down that low (mid-20s) in the room? If yes, that seems very impressive for a OB design w/ only two 12s (or 15s, sorry I forgot). IIRC even the Legacy Whisper did not make serious power down that low (four-15s per ch; even an employee at Legacy suggested it really needs a sub).
I don't have the CS2 but since I played with driving the woofer and b200 with different amps on a OB project, I found it a little tough to set the levels correctlyfor the 2 drivers. I was always thinking I was a little too soft or loud on the bass driver.Does the CS2 come wth a program to set the levels or do you dial it in by ear?Any tricks?
Quote from: jkelly on 27 Jun 2008, 01:08 amI don't have the CS2 but since I played with driving the woofer and b200 with different amps on a OB project, I found it a little tough to set the levels correctlyfor the 2 drivers. I was always thinking I was a little too soft or loud on the bass driver.Does the CS2 come with a program to set the levels or do you dial it in by ear?Any tricks?The CS2's come with the crossover and EQ settings already programmed into the DCX-2496.Just plug and play.George
I don't have the CS2 but since I played with driving the woofer and b200 with different amps on a OB project, I found it a little tough to set the levels correctlyfor the 2 drivers. I was always thinking I was a little too soft or loud on the bass driver.Does the CS2 come with a program to set the levels or do you dial it in by ear?Any tricks?
If you are running different amps for the bottom and the top wouldn'tyou have to adjust the volume levels so the woofer output blends with the horn output? Or do you just run the amps full and it willbe close enough?
