New kit, Neo-2X

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #180 on: 18 Sep 2008, 06:18 pm »
Danny, as I recall I had a front slot port dwg as well as rear slot port.  Did I send that to you?  Not that it's needed Joe, just turn the bottom pieces around.  Also, the rear slot port allows a clean front baffle and doesn't invite tiny hands to poke various items into it.  You just need a couple of feet at most clearance from the cabinet rear to adjacent wall.

Also, Danny, feel free to modify my drawing to change the tweeter cutout to incorporate the Neo 3 pdr.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #181 on: 18 Sep 2008, 07:27 pm »
Thanks, Hank.

So, when you say 'slot port' does that mean your design is a transmission line as opposed to bass reflex?  I love the sound of TL's.

Also, Hank -- how tall is your cabinet for the floor-standing Neo-2x?

Thanks,
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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #182 on: 19 Sep 2008, 04:23 am »
So, when you say 'slot port' does that mean your design is a transmission line as opposed to bass reflex?  I love the sound of TL's.
Also, Hank -- how tall is your cabinet for the floor-standing Neo-2x?

The plans for the Rav6/Neo-2X are in this very thread, so look for 'em there here. I'm currently building a mildly modified version of them. It's not a Transmission Line, it's just Ported. With major bracing. They are 40" tall, or there about. I shortened mine a little and made them a little deeper to compensate. ... oh, and I am being creative with the front baffle.



I wish I could tell you how they sound, but, these things take time, and I'm off to say farewell to a dear relative tomorrow, with my entire family. They will be here when I come back.


By the way these will be gray, and the tweeter face plates are bright red.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #183 on: 19 Sep 2008, 11:36 am »
Joe, fcraven said it.  Take a look at the plans. Al at RAW strongly urged me to design a slot port as his opinion is that a slot port "sounds" better than a cylinder (tube) port, so I did the slot.  I do think a decent diameter dual flared tube port would work fine, but have not compared.

fcraven, "bright red"?  That will be quite a contrasty cabinet!  No trouble finding them in the dark  :wink:  I'm interested in the "look" of your finished baffle.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #184 on: 19 Sep 2008, 02:09 pm »
"bright red"?  That will be quite a contrasty cabinet!  No trouble finding them in the dark  :wink:  I'm interested in the "look" of your finished baffle.

Yep it's bright red: Fine Paint's of Europe "Tulip Red" AKA "isn't that Ferrari red?"
I'm using it for a few reasons, I like Red--bright red, I have left over 100/gallon red paint that I really don't want to through away (and that requires toxic waste disposal anyway), and My boss (and friend) argues that for the amount of work these speakers require, they should be Bright Red. However, these are home theater speakers, and if they were completely red, that would be too overpowering so close to the screen, SO...I'll be giving them just a "touch" of color, just the face plate on the Tweeter. Also for fun (and to use up the paint)I'll be painting the bottom and backs in red (like Christian Louboutin shoes (yeah, I had to google to find that out)), But most of what you'll see is a nice neutral, boaring gray.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #185 on: 19 Sep 2008, 02:41 pm »
Fcraven,

I like the red accent idea.  Food for thought, mask off the slot port and spray it red too.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #186 on: 19 Sep 2008, 02:42 pm »
Joe, fcraven said it.  Take a look at the plans. Al at RAW strongly urged me to design a slot port as his opinion is that a slot port "sounds" better than a cylinder (tube) port, so I did the slot.  I do think a decent diameter dual flared tube port would work fine, but have not compared.

fcraven, "bright red"?  That will be quite a contrasty cabinet!  No trouble finding them in the dark  :wink:  I'm interested in the "look" of your finished baffle.

Yes if you can I recommend a slot port.A slot port unloads a box more evenly than a PVC port.And with woofers like the XBL^2 drivers which have lower extention and move more air this can make have a great effect on port chuffing.Really a slot as hank found out is not hard to install.You use a SOLID brace and make the piece as long as required for the port.Then if you want front or rear vented you just attach it to the front or rear.We assemble the cabinet complete then use a router to cut out the opening.Best of all you use the bottom of the cabinet for the slot which means the port fires off the floor reducing port acoustics.

We have several slot port designs if you would like just contact me and I can help you with the slot port installation, really easy to do.
Here is a few samples of a slot port during construction.




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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #187 on: 30 Dec 2008, 02:51 am »
Any plans/response curves avail for the Neo-2X in a ported enclosure?

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #189 on: 30 Dec 2008, 07:04 pm »
I know that I may be exposing my ignorance (like that ever stopped me before :lol:), but isn't the only factor the volume of the port?  If so, the conversion is volume of a cylinder= volume of a box....
(4/3 Pi R^3)= length x width x height.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #191 on: 30 Dec 2008, 10:11 pm »
Hey, what is that? Mathematics? There's no room for that kind of crazy talk here, Scotty!  :nono:

Well, duh comes to mind!  :duh: But as sure as I go for it using that formula, there will be someone who says you have to account for the density of your step-neighbor-in-law's tire inflation coefficient. :o

Eric..... hmmmm..... I had an Eric in a physics class about 15 years ago that was lousy at math and had a smarta$$ attitude.  Did you go to high school just outside of Abilene TX... the kid with the bad complexion that was always trying to impress the girls by making fart sounds in class??... I think I remember you....

Just goes to show, never give up on a kid. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #193 on: 31 Dec 2008, 05:28 pm »
Abilene?  Abilene? "Prettiest town I've ever seen".  I grew up in Abilene (except for a 5-year stint in San Angelo).
Remember Impact, TX on the north side of Abilene?

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #194 on: 30 Jan 2009, 12:26 am »
I already have a few people wanting to build these as a three way using the Direct Servo subs. A single side loaded SW-12-04 would make this an incredible full range speaker with great sound and flat to 20Hz.

Has anyone done this?
What do you need to do to the crossover to make it three way?
How would you design an enclosure for this?
I am looking at building a center channel and think this would be an awesome design.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #195 on: 30 Jan 2009, 11:07 pm »
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What do you need to do to the crossover to make it three way?

You don't have to change the crossover, just add the sub and dial it in.

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How would you design an enclosure for this?

You can basically give it any shape that you like so long as it gets the tweeter of the Neo-2X to ear level, and you create enough air space for the sub. I'd side fire the sub myself that way you can keep the width to a minimum.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #196 on: 9 Feb 2009, 08:22 am »
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One could run them in series or in series with a series network between them that will allow only the top woofer to cross to the tweeter. This would not give you higher sensitivity or deeper bass. It would give you lower distortion in the lower ranges.


Now a pair of M-130/16's in parallel in an MTM arrangement with the woofers loaded in a transmission line and I think you'll really have something.

Do you think the improvement from the extra m-165x in series would justify the cost of the extra driver?  If moving to the 2nd suggestion there, do you lose performance with m-130's vs. the m-165, and in what way?  I don't know a ton about transmission lines, but it sounds like a decidedly different type of speaker than the original 2x design.  Would any of those changes even matter if considering making it three-way with a servo sub?  I ask those things all at once because they're indirectly hitting on the same questoin: If I add the sub, how well will the rest of the design carry down to the ranges the sub will take care of, and is it as coherent as the original design all by itself.

I currently have my mfw-15 crossed over from my rs450's at 80hz, and if I go any lower, the midbass seems to thin out badly and the sound just won't blend well.  With it crossed over at 80hz, however, I not only have some room problems that make the bass pretty hit or miss throughout the room, but it's just not as controlled as I really want it in the 60-80hz range for music listening.  I want something that plays strong enough down into the mid 30's that I can cross over to the mfw-15 at 40hz (lowest my reciever will do it) and get a nice smooth response with great dynamics and extension.  I know I don't need to go into the teens on lfe for music, but this is a multipurpose system, and I like the sound/performance of the big mfw at the bottom end.  It goes low enough in-room to suck the air out of your lungs and make you nauseous. :D

The neo 2x design appeals to me because I've always loved the sound of planar/ribbon tweeters, I've heard a number of your designs and have really liked them, and because I'm not sure OB is my cup of tea so the OB-X series is out.  I heard x-statiks and found their holographic qualities to be interesting for moves, but not good for the dialog as it wasn't anchored to the screen very well, and for music they just felt a little vague. Anyhow, I'm considering ways to do a slightly souped up version of the floorstanding variation.  A simple, sealed, 3-way neo-2x w/ servo sub might be all I could ever want, but it seems like a lot more capability down low than the everything else and I'd like to find a way to add a "little something" without complicating the crossover network tremendously, or moving completely away from your design.  On the other hand, maybe the integration would be better with the tuning flexibility a ported design gives.  As you mentioned less distortion with a second woofer I'm thinking maybe that translates into better dyanamics, which is one of my favorite things my rockets do well.  I also love the attack of the vifa ring radiators but find they get a little sibilant on some material.  I'm hoping to actually audition a standard pair of neo-2x's at some point so I can get a better idea of what exactly I want from any tweaks.

Aack!  Can't post without rambling!!

I appreciate any input or advice you may have

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #197 on: 9 Feb 2009, 04:36 pm »
Danny is coming out with a new kit which will also be available in MTM. Sounds like what you are looking for:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=64508.msg588088#msg588088

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #198 on: 9 Feb 2009, 05:46 pm »
ah, it does look like that with a side loaded servo sub is basically what I was describing.  I wonder how those will compare to the floorstanding neo-2x. (with/without the sub)  It appears from the website that the AV/-X designs aren't quite as high end as the neo designs, although that may largely be due to the difference in cost of the tweeter.  I still wonder if something is lost going from the m-165x to a pair of m-130/16's. 

I'm also curioius as to whether the servo sub side loaded into that cabinet is the best way to get me from the basic design down into the mid 30's in response.  Is that a bit of a waste?  Will that sub live happily in such a small space and does it perform well in the 60-120hz range?  Is it wishful thinking to imagine this design might give me a compact-ish speaker that would give me strong response down low enough to go subless for 2 channel and just fire up the mfw-15 for movies? (and have it blend reasonably well when I do)

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
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