Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4

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Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« on: 16 Mar 2008, 03:46 pm »
You are all invited to the AudioKarma Audio Festival to be held May 3rd and 4th.

It is at a much nicer venue this year, the Embassy Suites in Livonia, Michigan just west of Detroit.

I am glad to report that Audio by Van Alstine will be sharing a sound room with Salk Sound again this year.  www.salksound.com

We will have some new conceptual things for you hear for the first time that we think will make the trip worthwhile.  Of course there will be another 50 rooms of sound equipment to boggle your mind there too.

Best regards,

Frank Van Alstine

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #1 on: 16 Mar 2008, 04:01 pm »
Frank, I hope you can swing by the house Friday or Saturday evening after the dust settles.  I'm only 15 minutes away south (while Jim is 60 minutes north so that comes into play).  You're always welcome here.

Pete

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #2 on: 16 Mar 2008, 04:41 pm »
What's the nearest airport to Livonia?

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #3 on: 16 Mar 2008, 04:47 pm »
What's the nearest airport to Livonia?

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Look forward to seeing you agian, Frank.   Also looking forward to hearing your gear again.  Besides the surprise, what else will you have there?

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #4 on: 16 Mar 2008, 09:21 pm »
I'm going to try and breeze in for a little while...sounds like it was a lot of fun last year!

Frank, any chance we can get a teaser on the new stuff? Source, amplification, etc.?  :shh:

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #5 on: 16 Mar 2008, 09:35 pm »
Livonia is about a 20 minute or so easy drive from Detroit Metro Airport.

It appears the attendance is going up this year. The hotel quality definately has !!!

See you all there!

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #6 on: 16 Mar 2008, 09:37 pm »
Doug, are you coming over to my place on the 29th?

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #7 on: 16 Mar 2008, 10:07 pm »
Doug, are you coming over to my place on the 29th?

I am planning on it with a friend.

I am going to the meet next weekend too to check out the new store in town. PM for more info if you dont already know.

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #8 on: 29 Mar 2008, 07:02 pm »
Hey Big Red, thanks for the invitation.

I would like to come Saturday evening the AudioKarma weekend.  Friday we will be driving in from Minnesota, 650 miles, and then help Jim set up, so that will probably be enough for that day.

Do you have two identical stereo power amps at your place that could be run bridged full range?  If so I might be able to bring a new differential DAC-Preamp over and see how it does there.

It should provide interesting results.

Frank Van Alstine

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #9 on: 6 Apr 2008, 11:07 pm »
Frank, Saturday was the plan.  I may be there Friday to help you guys set up the room.

I only have a single stereo amp in my 2 channel room now.

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #10 on: 7 Apr 2008, 03:29 pm »
Well then I will have to bring a couple of amplifiers along too.  :)

Given the small size of the display rooms at the AudioKarma show, your home may be where we need to give the complete differential system a real workout.

Frank

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #11 on: 7 Apr 2008, 03:37 pm »
Hey Big Red, thanks for the invitation.

Do you have two identical stereo power amps at your place that could be run bridged full range?  If so I might be able to bring a new differential DAC-Preamp over and see how it does there.

It should provide interesting results.

Frank Van Alstine

Did I read that right? A DAC-Preamp? Can you say any more? I am looking forward to AKfest and the Saturday night get together.

Brad

Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #12 on: 8 Apr 2008, 02:46 am »
DAC-preamp?
Sounds great - any tubes in the mix?

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« Reply #13 on: 8 Apr 2008, 02:02 pm »
OK, so here is the scoop as to what we will have new for the AudioKarma show, and why I urge you to come see and listen to us there.

We will be showing two complete new prototype full differential audio systems, one Ultra hybrid system, one OmegaStar solid state system.

First of all, what do we mean by a full differential system?

This is a system in which there are both + and - left and + and - right signals maintained separately from the source to the speakers.  Assuming that all the + and - electronics are carefully matched, all of the distortion components from anything earlier in the audio chain arrive at the speakers exactly of equal amplitude but out of phase and completely cancel!  The result is essentially a distortion free system, not matter what the source of the distortion was, no matter whether you can measure it, understand it, or have even tried to design it out.  Voila! Its all gone.

Its kind of an extreme version of a balanced line system, except that almost all balanced line systems are actually single ended internally, so the advantages of full differential operation are negated.

It requires a full differential DAC, coming from the actual DAC chip output with four independent channels, + and - left, and + and - right.  We have it, our new Ultra Differential DAC.  It simply takes normal coax digital in and has four audio outputs, + and - left, and again, + and - right.  The DAC contains the newest Wolfson digital chips, and four identical Ultra hybrid analog filter/output circuits.

Then it requires a full differential preamplifier.  This needs + and - left and + and - right channel inputs from the differential DAC, and additional normal stereo inputs from other sources.  For more mundane stereo analog sources, the Ultra differential preamp also provides internal inverter circuits to convert these to differential operation, so the advantages of distortion cancellation can occur from thereon downstream.  The preamp at this point requires two matched two channel volume controls, one for left channel and one for right channel.  We have this all done, tested, packaged, and working perfectly too, the Ultra Differential Preamp.  It contains four identical Ultra hybrid line circuits and their necessary power supplies plus the inverter circuits for stereo sources. The preamp has differential outputs, + and - left and + and - right channels to feed two matching power amplifiers in the differential mode.

Finally the system requires two matched stereo power amplifiers.  The connections are the same as in bridge mode operation, with the speakers coming from the left and right hot connections.  The + and - signals are finally summed at the speakers.  Of course one further advantage is that with a pair of Ultra 550 amplifiers, you have over a kilowatt of power available per channel.

We also have complete solid state OmegaStar Differential Preamplifier/DAC up and running.  Because the solid state circuit take so much less real estate, we were able to install the Wolfson digital circuits, four OmegaStar DAC analog filter circuits, four OmegaStar line circuits and the additional inverter circuits all in one Ultra SL size package.  Simply add two identical amplifiers and be astonished.  We also hope to have a complete OmegaStar differential amplifier available in time for the AudioKarma show.  This packages four 120 watt per channel OmegaStar solid state amp circuits in one of our amp chassis.  It has left + and - and right + and - inputs, and differential outputs for a pair of speakers.  Three hundred plus watts per channel and a completely done deal.

Oh yes, how does the stuff sound?  A profound improvement everywhere.  Bass extension and impact and transparency, musicality, total freedom from grain and edge, huge image and stage, highs that go out forever, absolutely pleasing to listen to.  After you experience it, you can't go back.

See you at Detroit.

Frank Van Alstine

P.S. We will also be showing the new speaker wires that Mark Funk sent me.  Another amazing surprise.  :)

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #14 on: 8 Apr 2008, 02:18 pm »
Pete,

Looks like the REAL action will be in Canton.  aa

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #15 on: 8 Apr 2008, 02:26 pm »
Prices?

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #16 on: 8 Apr 2008, 07:05 pm »
Hi:

I have heard both the solid state and hybrid systems (along with all of the interim prototypes).  Those that make to the show will be amazed at the sound. :drool: :drool: :drool:

Make sure you check out the new speaker wires.....

Larry

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #17 on: 8 Apr 2008, 07:19 pm »
I for 1 pan on being there.  Can't wait.   :drool:

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Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #18 on: 8 Apr 2008, 08:20 pm »
Pete,

Looks like the REAL action will be in Canton.  aa

And I'll be in China that week and certainly dragging when I get back.

TomW16

Re: Audiokarma Audio Festival, May 3-4
« Reply #19 on: 8 Apr 2008, 09:36 pm »
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Its kind of an extreme version of a balanced line system, except that almost all balanced line systems are actually single ended internally, so the advantages of full differential operation are negated.

Sounds interesting Frank.  Balanced cables with single ended internals would eliminate any distortion picked up by the interconnects.  Balanced electronics essentially doubles the parts count for the equipment presumably increasing the cost.

I'll be interested in hearing other's impressions of the sound.

Have fun at Audiokarma.

Tom