Cassette Deck?

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denjo

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #20 on: 15 Mar 2008, 12:41 pm »

The great unknown brand in decks was Aiwa. In the twilight years of the cassette deck Aiwa made some outstanding decks, both in sound quality and functionality.

Russell
Thanks for your enlightening post! You seem to know quite a bit about cassette decks. I did not know that the Aiwas were held in such esteem. I still have a Nakamichi Dragon which is now biting dust! The lights on the deck look like an aviator's control panel!

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Dennis

Russell Dawkins

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #21 on: 15 Mar 2008, 05:09 pm »
Actually, Aiwas were not held in any particular esteem in North America; they were just not on the radar! As I say, they never had any effective self-promotion scheme and they never made any very high end, profile-raising flagships of which I am aware.
Aiwa had a different distribution strategy than Nakamichi, too. Whereas Naks were sold only at the mid level and higher retailers, Aiwa sold the cheap end of their line anywhere that would take them, but reserved the better models for the specialist  stores, so many would not be aware that good Aiwas even existed, because all they saw were these very cheap decks, all-in-one mini stereos and boom boxes.

They just made some very good medium priced decks which usually out-performed others in comparison tests I read at the time. This was only in English magazines, where they took cassette deck performance and testing much more seriously.
This is in part, I think, because there was a relatively larger body of consumers who where interested in performance but financially pressed, so there was a market for high performing mid - priced decks. By contrast at that time in North America there was a little more discretionary income and people looking for high performance were more likely to buy Nakamichi and not worry so much about the price.

SET Man

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #22 on: 15 Mar 2008, 05:51 pm »

I have a box full of 90+ blank tapes, the tape itself is yellow in color, I don't know what you'd call those...would those be useful to you in any way?


Hey!

     Jim, thanks for offering those tapes. But I'm not looking to make anymore tape now. Instead the Nak 1000 will be use to playback those old tapes so I could digitize them. :D

    BTW... I think Mr. Bubble enjoy listening to those vintage and antique stuff I have. :lol:


Great find Buddy! Looks like your vintage audio collection is ever-growing! You can set up a Museum soon!  :D

Best regards
Dennis

    Dennis, I'm actually running out of room here right now.  :icon_lol: I wish I have more money and room but I don't  :duh: I will have to let go of my Akai tubed R2R machine soon... anyone interested? aa

Another great find Buddy...I still remember that great sound from your Akai R2R, I know tapes can't beat it, but you sure have another very interesting piece of equipment!

And that old cathedral AM radio.....it's sound beats most of today's receivers.

   Boris. :D The Akai M8 is wonderful R2R machine since it is an all tubed machine with no transistor insight :cool: But ever since I got it I have been using it mostly as a headphone amp because it got EL84 amps in SE mode inside :D

   Boris this may surprised you but I will have to let the Akia M8 go. Since I don't use it that much now and I'm running out of room too  :icon_lol: I will miss it for sure :? But the 1937 Philco AM Radio will stay I love the look of that radio and I don't see it come up often on place like eBay. :D

   BTW... I don't think that you have met my new prized possession piece of audio that I've been want one since I got interested in audio. :D Well, check out the picture below and see anything different on my audio rack? :wink:



Take care,
Buddy :thumb:



   
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SET Man

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #23 on: 15 Mar 2008, 06:13 pm »
The great unknown brand in decks was Aiwa. In the twilight years of the cassette deck Aiwa made some outstanding decks, both in sound quality and functionality....

Mid priced Aiwas sound better than the equivalent price Naks and the next two levels up, too; they just never had the cachet because they never put the equivalent of the 1000 or the Dragon on the market, let alone the 700 which some think was their best. Insiders I knew figured Nak was cynically milking the reputation they earned legitimately in the first 8 years for the last 10 years of their tenure as a cassette deck maker. Having said all that, a Nak 700 was easily the best deck I have ever heard, and the only time I have really enjoyed listening to cassette.


Hey!

   Russell, you are right about the Aiwa. Many people here will be surprised of how much some certain Aiwa decks go for on eBay these day. :D From what I've read on the net about cassette deck I think Aiwa actually make OEM cassette deck parts for other company and this including tape head.

   As for the Nakamichi. I totally agreed with you also. Nakamichi lives on their reputation in it last couple of years. Many later lower end Nak decks are not that great only a few model seem to actually good  :? And this is one of the reason why I didn't go for newer and later Nak decks.
 
   I've considered the 700 since it is easier to fine and based on the 1000.  I actually like the look of the 700 also, it is beautiful. But I found this 1000 with the right price and condition so I couldn't resist and went for it! :lol:

   Also, it is seems like these older Nak are more reliable than newer one also. Many Nak from the 1990's are now bite the dust.

   Anyway, for those who are interested in cassette deck. Here is an excellent site with info on many deck....

http://www.vintagecassette.com

   And here's one for Nakamichi...

http://naks.com

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
   

Walterwalter

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Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #24 on: 31 Jul 2008, 02:41 pm »
Nice machine. I do have Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer deck and I really enjoy its sound and look. Unfortunately, it started to go to the stop mode after every 30 minutes of playing. After cooling down it starts working again for another 30 minutes.Anyone has an idea what is a problem?

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Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #25 on: 31 Jul 2008, 03:36 pm »
Thanks for the Nak link SET Man. Have an old 586 purchased new circa '78 that have hung onto for years with intent to fix a couple of bugs. Has a built in tone generator for base line settings, and the sound was always top notch. Also have an HK 3 head that a friend is using currently to digitize his old cassette collection. A nice deck too, but still think the old Nak is better.

Enjoy that classic, and the music it makes.   :thumb:

Russell Dawkins

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« Reply #26 on: 31 Jul 2008, 04:27 pm »
Nice machine. I do have Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer deck and I really enjoy its sound and look. Unfortunately, it started to go to the stop mode after every 30 minutes of playing. After cooling down it starts working again for another 30 minutes.Anyone has an idea what is a problem?
If this happens with all tapes, I may not be able to help, but if it is one tape only, then take the tape out and slap it sharply against a hard flat surface like a counter top. Do this a few times on each side. The idea is to flatten the tape pack inside the shell. Sometimes, depending on how the tape was played and by which transport, the tape gets wound very unevenly around the spool. resulting in tape edges sticking out of the pack and rubbing against the inside of the shell. On some decks, depending on how much torque is available from the spindle, this will cause the machine to give up trying to turn the spool and kick into stop mode.

You can monitor this by experimentally trying to turn the spool with your fingernail or pencil eraser. If it does not turn easily, then slap it to flatten the pack and try turning it again. If this is the problem, it will turn much easier.

The second approach (to increase the drive torque available) can be accomplished first by getting some "rubber renew" from an electronics supply. Take  the lid off the deck and apply some to all rubber parts - the pinch roller, and particularly the drive belts. Then take the $10 bottle and put it on the shelf for 10 years and do it again, then!

lazydays

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Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #27 on: 31 Jul 2008, 06:30 pm »
Jokes aside, I think the cassette decks of yore - Nakamichis come first to mind, Akais and Sony too - were well built to last and still sound pretty decent! For those of you wishing to tape from digital to analog, I read a tip somewhere that video cassette decks (yes, the VHS ones) are great for taping audio analog!
The great unknown brand in decks was Aiwa. In the twilight years of the cassette deck Aiwa made some outstanding decks, both in sound quality and functionality. Precious few others would let you do all of these things: go from play to pause to record/pause to record; go from stop straight into record/pause; go into record from play without stopping; fast scan forward and back with reduced output. Other makers' decks would do one or the other, but never everything I needed to do. Denon was the biggest offender with regards flexibility and sounded bland, too. Aiwa also employed Dolby HX PRO which enabled hotter recording levels by reducing bias signal in the presence of high frequency energy in the program content, thus avoiding saturating the tape partly with the bias signal itself.

Mid priced Aiwas sound better than the equivalent price Naks and the next two levels up, too; they just never had the cachet because they never put the equivalent of the 1000 or the Dragon on the market, let alone the 700 which some think was their best. Insiders I knew figured Nak was cynically milking the reputation they earned legitimately in the first 8 years for the last 10 years of their tenure as a cassette deck maker. Having said all that, a Nak 700 was easily the best deck I have ever heard, and the only time I have really enjoyed listening to cassette.

     A Nak 1000II will smoke any Awia ever built. Never used a 1000 series one, so won't say it will. The 700 (and 700II) were both fantastic decks that shared a lot of the same technolgy. And once again they didn't make an Awia that good. Now the newer three head decks (Dragon etc.)I've been around only a little bit with the Dragon being the most. I really liked the Dragon, but it still didn't do what I wanted it to do (I was looking for a good auto-reverse setup that didn't shift the heads). I finally had the chance to use an RX505, and knew that's all I needed, but bought a new RX202 for a hundred dollars (only used it for tapes played in the car and truck). Someday I hope to latch onto a good 1000II or a Dragon just for home listening. I've been around the Awia decks a little bit (my brother inlaw used a 9000 or 9090) and they are really nice decks. Better than 90% of the others, and maybe the absolute smoothest operating cassette deck I've ever seen. But they were hard to get parts for when they broke, and from what Larry said they were not fun to work on. My RX 202 dosn't sound as good as his Awia did, but I do think maybe a 505 would give it a good run for it's money. I think my old 600 that I gave to Goodwill awhile back was better.   
As far as video decks - there was a period in around 1990 when I know that certain exhibitors at audio shows used these to demo their stuff and thought of it as their secret weapon. Most people had no idea of the quality that these things were capable of.

The Achilles heel of the analog tape medium is wow and flutter, and this was one area where the dominance of the new fangled CDs was indisputable, regardless of what was thought about the harshness that was also attributed to the digital recording medium.

I'm on thin ice here because I'm no engineer, but I believe the VHS and BETA HI-FI formats were both similar in that they were not only both analog (although commonly thought of as digital) but had very low wow and flutter because of their fundamental principle of operation which was FM, not AM. There were other problems to do with tape stretching and incompatibility between machines, though. When things were not perfect a nasty sounding 60Hz buzz accompanied the music.

Russell Dawkins

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #28 on: 31 Jul 2008, 06:44 pm »
I wasn't saying that Aiwa made the best decks available, just that their middle range (the ADF 370/400) would smoke a Nak of the same price. They never made a Dragon equivalent.

This was because Nakamichi seemed to be employing a marketing tactic for which I have no respect - that of capturing attention with a genuinely great and possibly money-losing model or two to establish reputation (the Dragon et al) then milking that reputation for 15 years with over-priced and under-performing (except for the shareholders!) models at the lower end of the model spectrum.

My understanding is that the model 700 is one of the less appreciated but very high performing decks from Nakamichi.

These days I am so used to the complete absence of flutter from digital recording that I can't stand the sound of most cassette decks except in noisy environments, like truck cabs.

SET Man

Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #29 on: 31 Jul 2008, 10:16 pm »
Nice machine. I do have Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer deck and I really enjoy its sound and look. Unfortunately, it started to go to the stop mode after every 30 minutes of playing. After cooling down it starts working again for another 30 minutes.Anyone has an idea what is a problem?

Hey!

     Good suggestion from Russell there.

     But if this problem happen with all tapes than I think it is likely your belt need to be replace. I think the reason that it stop every 30 mins could due to the belt stretching. This probably sound strange but it is possible that the belt gets heat up and stretch enough to cause this problem. So, if you still have the original belt, especially the main drive belt than maybe it is time for a new one. :D

    I changed the main and another one of which I'm not sure what is call. After I changed the main belt I could hear that it runs more stable.

   My 1000 did have one big problem. It eat tape with 90mins cassettes. The tape would run off the roller on the feeding side. It turn out that one of a tiny tension spring on feeding tape hub seem to lost it tension. I think this cause the feeding up to run a bit faster than roller once the momentum gets going. I couldn't find this tiny spring anywhere so I frabricated one from a larger spring making sure that the tension is just enough on the feeding hub to keep the 90mins tapes from running off the roller.

    But if anyone here know where I can find these kind of tiny spring used in electronic please let me know.

   Anyway, now it work just fine. :D

  BTW.. the 700 is a very nice machine I like the way it looks. It shared a lot of design and electronics I think with the 1000.

Thanks for the Nak link SET Man. Have an old 586 purchased new circa '78 that have hung onto for years with intent to fix a couple of bugs. Has a built in tone generator for base line settings, and the sound was always top notch. Also have an HK 3 head that a friend is using currently to digitize his old cassette collection. A nice deck too, but still think the old Nak is better.

Enjoy that classic, and the music it makes.   :thumb:

   I do play it once in while. But I still didn't get to do what I bought this machine for.... transferring/digitizing my old tapes.  :icon_lol:

  Oh! I went to a flea market a few months ago and found a Classical tape "The Four Seasons"  Philips recording from 1980 for a $1. The sound was much better than I expected, surprising actually.

   Than two of my audiophile friends from New York Rave circle came over. I pretend that I was playing this from my CDP but actually they were listening to a 28 years old tapes on a 30 years old deck. Well, they were surprised for sure after I pressed stop button on the 1000 :lol:

   Anyway, I better find time to digitizing my tapes soon  :roll:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

lazydays

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Re: Cassette Deck?
« Reply #30 on: 5 Aug 2008, 02:24 am »
I wasn't saying that Aiwa made the best decks available, just that their middle range (the ADF 370/400) would smoke a Nak of the same price. They never made a Dragon equivalent.

This was because Nakamichi seemed to be employing a marketing tactic for which I have no respect - that of capturing attention with a genuinely great and possibly money-losing model or two to establish reputation (the Dragon et al) then milking that reputation for 15 years with over-priced and under-performing (except for the shareholders!) models at the lower end of the model spectrum.

My understanding is that the model 700 is one of the less appreciated but very high performing decks from Nakamichi.

These days I am so used to the complete absence of flutter from digital recording that I can't stand the sound of most cassette decks except in noisy environments, like truck cabs.

The one thing I didn't ever like about the 700 series was the actuall size of the deck, as well as there was only one way it could be used. But on the otherhand they were a really good looking piece of equipment.
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