[mv038856]

Hi James,

somehow my SP-3 related question(s) seem(s) to have gotten lost in all the upgrade discussion.

Any info on this?

Cheers!


Markus

Is Bryston making progress on the development of the SP-3? Will the Cedia EXPO see a working prototype (or even a release candidate) of the SP-3?

Chris told me on the High End in Munich in May that Bryston had hired another software specialist... 

Well, on another sibject, I think it has been discussed in this thread that the SP-3 will have some kind of room correction. I can't, however recall whether a decision had been made regarding the system. If I remember correctly, Trinnov and Audyssey have been mentioned as options. Has a decision been made in that respect? Or has Bryson (like Anthem) developed their own room correction?

Is the front and back panel design as published appr. a year ago (and shown a few messages above) still the current design? Maybe I am dreaming that one up, but wasn't there a mention that the design has changed since then?

Regarding the HDMI question(s), I am not so keen to get HDMI 1.4 (which is unlikely to be included in the SP-3 anyway), but to get a working implementation on HDMI 1.3 with fast switching times. There are implementations out there that use a single HDMI receiver per input, in contrast to a single receiver chip that 4 or 8 sources are switched to. The advantage of the one chip per input approach is that the switching unit can maintain the connections to the different devices so that it hasn't to do all the HDMI/HDCP negotiations every time an input is being switched. The result is supposed to be lightning fast switching times.

As for the USB discussion, the bandwidth of a USB 2.0 port should be more than enough to send a high quality audio signal through it. So I don't see the neccessity for USB 3.0.

Anyway, I don't expect Bryston to be the very first to implement new technologies. But I do expect Bryston to deliver exceptional audio quality and usability with the product. There is a number of companies out there that throw new technology onto the market (in the media player market, I am thinking about Syabas with their Popcorn Hour devices or HDI with their Dune HD line) and release products to the public with the latest chips and/or amazing capabilities. At the same time these products, despite the cutting edge features they offer (or because of them), have shortcomings with respect to reliability or even basic functionalities.

Bryston's approach has worked well so far, for Bryston as well as its customers.

[James Tanner]

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Hi markus,

Sorry I missed this - who is Chris?

Yes we have hired 2 new software engineers - this SP3 is a lot more complicated than previous realized and I am under pressure to get this to market.

My plan is to bring the AUDIO ONLY version of the SP3 to market first and hopefully this fall.  This will be a state of the art analog/digital audio player with all the basic features. As we move forward we will introduce the video version of the SP3 and then look at other features we can add as we go.

The new SP3 will be 'IP' addressable so future software upgrades and trouble shooting in the field should be easily implimented as we get feedback from our customers.

james

[Phil A]

Sounds cool - so we just need to connect it to the internet?

[James Tanner]

Sounds cool - so we just need to connect it to the internet?

Hi Phil,

Correct.

james

[Mad Mr H]

ROOM CORRECTION & BASS CONTROL EQ

For room correction many firms (Denon/Onkyo/Integra/NAD....) adopt the AUDYSSEY system as this is what they develop.

They are also now about to release a BASS correction system as well.

Maybe that is an option for you rather than re inventing the wheel - with respect to room correction.

The Audyssey system has a "user" version and then a more advaned "installer" version............Installers will aready have the more advanced mic kit and software required.

HDMI OUTPUTS

If you are going to build an Audio only unit that is an EXCELLENT idea as many projectors and TVs already adopt video processing and upscale, even source players these days come equiped with video processing.

I would ask that even if you go audio only that is has two HDMI outputs as this is the norm these days, and that BOTH can run at the same time - these will be pass through for video (and maybe audio).

These are used for people that have a TV and Projector connected, the output removes the need for a HDMI splitter.

All current audio formats and HDMI 1.3a,b,c, 1.4 whatever today's up to date version is !!!!

HDMI INPUTS

More than four HDMI inputs please - OR built with 4 HDMI and an optional card to add 2/4 more ???

AUDIO OUTPUTS

Assignable balanced outputs - Onkyo already offer balanced bi amp outputs for front left & right - I would like to see bi amp options for front left right AND CENTER rear as well, For many years I have been setting up DSP based multi in/out devices and a simple perameter recall allows change of input/output use.

MORE THAN ONE bass output connector - This seems to be missed by so many companies.

CONTROL

RS232 - modules released for Crestron,AMX,Pronto...... at time of product release - This help the unit get specified at the design stage of a system.

IR with an INPUT for IR from a control system

TRIGGERS

Three or more 12v assignable triggers

Lexicon MC12 had 2, Onkyo 886 has 3...........

12v triggers are used for screen control, Amp switch on, mains control sytems, curtains...........

It is essential to have a number of these to allow various states of use.

THANK YOU

These suggestions may have been in this thread already but I have joined it late.......

Many more ideas / suggestions available if you would like.........

Andy.

[NiToNi]

 + fully differential design incl. DAC and preamp;

+ DAC section that is at least as good as BDA-1;

+ if not the above, then 7.1 digital output (decoded/PCM)
 bypassing internal DAC;

+ word clock input to slave transport;

+ world-class no-compromise analog preamp on par with BP26;

+ tactile transducer output (appropriately crossover filtered);

For an audio specialty company like Bryston, the design goal should be to produce what so far nobody has ever succeded with (in reality), i.e. a product that even the most hardcore 2-channel audiophiles could switch to without feeling they are giving up anything...

[1oldguy]

I would have to agree with the last poster...If it looses nothing in the 2 channel dept it would be the cats meow.

[warren460]

I understand that they are so far along with the product development that the final specs have already been determined. I therefore expect that a wish list of features for the first version of SP3 are very unlikely to impact on the final product. But perhaps I am wrong.

[Phil A]

I understand that they are so far along with the product development that the final specs have already been determined. I therefore expect that a wish list of features for the first version of SP3 are very unlikely to impact on the final product. But perhaps I am wrong.

No - you're likely right.  If software has capabilities, it is possible to add some features.  It's just that it is a long thread, some have not followed it and have not read all the posts and just don't have the history of them.

[Mad Mr H]

I hold my hands up - I have not read any of the thread.......

Sorry!!!

New to this forum, but I hope my post is of some use......

Andy

(owner of the tallest Bryston High Fi  )

[Phil A]

I hold my hands up - I have not read any of the thread.......

Sorry!!!

New to this forum, but I hope my post is of some use......

Andy

(owner of the tallest Bryston High Fi  )

Andy - not a problem - the thread was started at the end of January 2008 so it is  a year and a half old.  I was a good pest and bugged James for a USB input early on.  I believe the last James posted it is going to have 8 HMDI inputs and 2 outputs.  The non-video processing unit will be out first.  I believe James indicated  2 sets of balanced inputs.  Perhaps in a couple of weeks James will give us an update prior to CEDIA.

[So There]

James:

Will the SP3 enable users to set different speaker configurations for HT and music? Like many interested in this pre-pro, I have one system. For HT, it is configured as 7.2. When playing SACD, DVD-A, or Blu-ray music, I'd like to enable a 5.2 system, using the rear speakers for point-source sound, rather than have to use the surround speakers.

Also, will the SP3 allow for stereo subs?

Thanks for your fine products and expert service. I truly hope the SP3 will fit my needs.

RJ

System: Bryston 6B-SST(C); 2 4B-SST(C); Paradigm Reference Signature S8 (front), C5 (center), ADP (surround), S4 (rear), 2 Velodyne DD15 (subs); Oppo BDP-83; Denon AVR 2805 (used as pre-pro, while patiently awaiting Bryston SP3).

[James Tanner]

Hi RJ,

Our intention -like in the SP2 - is that you can have different speaker configurations per input.

There will be stereo subs capability using the Balanced out and the unbalanced out in parallel at this point.

james

[Mad Mr H]

Is there a price guide for the SP3 and an estimated time to market ?

Wont hold you to any of that just considering some options and time frames at the mo.......

As I am sure are many others..

Andy.

[James Tanner]

Hi Andy,

We are showing the final prototype at CEDIA next month and hopefully be ready for sale in late fall.

james

[Mad Mr H]

I will count the hours till CEDIA............

Hope to see a press release the second the doors open 

[Phil A]

Hi Andy,

We are showing the final prototype at CEDIA next month and hopefully be ready for sale in late fall.

james

James - when available (I know you may have commitments), perhaps right before you leave, I know we all would appreciate photos.  I'd be happy to hold onto them until you give the OK to post them somewhere

[alexone]

Hi Andy,

We are showing the final prototype at CEDIA next month and hopefully be ready for sale in late fall.

james

James - when available (I know you may have commitments), perhaps right before you leave, I know we all would appreciate photos.  I'd be happy to hold onto them until you give the OK to post them somewhere

yes, some more photos would be great!


al.

[bmoura]

Hi Andy,

We are showing the final prototype at CEDIA next month and hopefully be ready for sale in late fall.

james

By the final prototype at CEDIA, I assume you mean the audio only version of the SP-3 vs. the version with both audio and video.  Right ?

[James Tanner]

Hi Andy,

We are showing the final prototype at CEDIA next month and hopefully be ready for sale in late fall.

james

By the final prototype at CEDIA, I assume you mean the audio only version of the SP-3 vs. the version with both audio and video.  Right ?

Correct - Audio only version.

james

PS -Iam getting reports back that many of the current processors out there now are having issues with HDMI video handshakes.