Petition for SACD...Please Sign and I hope some hears us...

Sonny · « **on:** 11 Jan 2008, 07:40 am »

Please go to the links below and sign these Petitions for Improvements to SACD's drives, hardware and software...Thanks!

The More SA-CD Software Campaign
http://www.gopetition.com/online/15909.html

The Improved SA-CD Drives Campaign
http://www.gopetition.com/online/15907.html

The SA-CD Hardware Campaign
http://www.gopetition.com/online/15908.html

Sonny · « **Reply #1 on:** 11 Jan 2008, 05:54 pm »

Everyone, Please sign if you like SACD!!!

norton54 · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 01:40 pm »

I WOULD like to know what happened to SACD and DVD audio. When these formats first came out, like a dummy, I bought into both formats and now? Nothing. They pretty much fizzled out. Anybody have a logical answer why? I didn't really care for the "surround" sound part but the higher resolution was nice.

MaxCast · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 05:30 pm »

Supply AND demand. The demand wasn't there other than a nitch market and supply (as far as new releases) wasn't there.

It will be interesting to see what blue ray and hd dvd do with audio.

doug s. · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 05:45 pm »

i beg to differ. normal supply & demand models had nothing to do w/it. these formats fizzled because the record industry had no desire to force-feed it down the consumer's throats the way cd's were, back in 1983. there was no profit incentive for it, as there was w/the first cd roll-out, where cd' cost the consumer double the price of winyl, & the manufacturing costs were ~5% the cost of winyl.

the record companies would have to retool the entire manufacturing system, to make dvda &/or sacd the main format to replace cd's, but they aren't any cheaper to make, & the selling price wouldn't be able to be doubled, like the original cd's were, if they were to become the standard format. the fractional sonic improvements offered by these mediums are not enough to drive them to be the dominant formats all by itself.

ymmv,

doug s.

Quote from: MaxCast on 13 Jan 2008, 05:30 pm

Supply AND demand. The demand wasn't there other than a nitch market and supply (as far as new releases) wasn't there.

It will be interesting to see what blue ray and hd dvd do with audio.

MaxCast · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:13 pm »

You have some points there doug but I hardly believe the cd was force-feed. The cd offered better sound (compared to nicks and pops) and portability (no more taping your lp for your car or boom box) and accesability (direct access). Ultimately, joe blow won't spend more for quality like he will for convenience. And it's the record companies own damn fault that cd's didn't come down in price when they should have.

Anyways, back to the thread...go sign a petition everyone.

bacobits1 · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:14 pm »

I sold my SACD Sony XA777ES A little over a year ago. For fear of machine transport failures on most SACD players along with the horror stories getting them fixed and software availability.
Never looked back. I have 8 SACDs.

D

JoshK · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:20 pm »

This wasn't a format for the masses, it was a format for the audiophiles and they didn't even grab that segment, they just fractioned it more. It might continue to sell on audiophile labels, but for the general population and for me it already died.

Philistine · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:26 pm »

I signed one of the petitions a few months ago. Anyway, it's all in vain - the decision has been made, particularly SACD, to run the format into obscurity. Time to move on to High Rez downloads - easier for the music industry to deliver this format than a physical medium.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:36 pm »

I read both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use DVD-A audio technology....right down to MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing). So, DVD-A isn't lost, it's just been re-formulated and re-packaged in a video technology. It's really good...better than vinyl in many ways (and a notable advance on 30 year old Redbook/CD technology), but gets pipped out in sheer musicality by the old LP.

SACD, however, was lost on me the several times I've heard it. It just sounds wrong to me - I cannot understand why, but it does. I read some convoluted technical paper about phase issues it has, perhaps that's it, I just know it ain't natural at all.

It ain't the drives, or software...it's the very technology of SACD. May it rest in peace

John

TerryO · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 06:47 pm »

Quote from: JoshK on 13 Jan 2008, 06:20 pm

This wasn't a format for the masses, it was a format for the audiophiles and they didn't even grab that segment, they just fractioned it more. It might continue to sell on audiophile labels, but for the general population and for me it already died.

I agree and would even go a bit further, too many audiophiles that have a fair amount of disposable income are old enough to remember the format wars of the past. Duplicating large collections of first vinyl and then 8-Tracks, cassettes or reel to reel tapes, followed now by DVD-A or SACD or whatever, is pretty pricey. Good, well cared for LP's still sound better than a lot of SACDs and Reel to Reel is also very nice if you can find them (The sound is wonderful). The new K2 mastering technique from JVC (introduced by FIM recently) sounds as good, or better, than SACD and can be played on any player, not a bad situation for most of us that can't afford, or refuse to buy, several players.

I do think that HD and flashdrives, etc., with or without wireless is probably the direction that a lot of audiophiles are headed. I may be wrong but I see a lot of audiophiles that are interested in a solution of this sort.
Of course, if video in brought into the picture (bad pun!) then all bets are off.

Best Regards,
TerryO

doug s. · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Jan 2008, 07:32 pm »

cd offered better sound? it wasn't until the late 1990's that cd's sounded even good, imo. they still don't sound better than winyl, imo. tho they certainly are more conwenient.

it's not the record companies fault that cd pricing didn't come down - that is the law of supply & demand operating there - they could charge the high prices & get away with it, since main-stream winyl was being phased out, & it was basically the only game in town, as the industry wanted it to be the main format. the industry could easily have continued releasing software on winyl, if it so chose.

i have no interest in sacd or dvda, as long as there's no interest in the industry making it the main format. and, signing petitions isn't gonna change anything... now, the industry does offer limited-run releases of a lot of software on winyl - this is the real audiophile software, imo - if the industry doesn't butcher it in the studio, which they sometimes do. check out the sound of the santana "supernatural" on winyl - it's yust as compressed & sucky sounding as its cd counterpart. i am glad i have a dbx 3bx for such recordings.

doug s.

Quote from: MaxCast on 13 Jan 2008, 06:13 pm

You have some points there doug but I hardly believe the cd was force-feed. The cd offered better sound (compared to nicks and pops) and portability (no more taping your lp for your car or boom box) and accesability (direct access). Ultimately, joe blow won't spend more for quality like he will for convenience. And it's the record companies own damn fault that cd's didn't come down in price when they should have.

Anyways, back to the thread...go sign a petition everyone.