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AUDFILE74

IDEA
« on: 2 Jan 2008, 08:19 am »
I have an idea for a threeway OB using a bgaudio neo 3 pdr playing down to 1800hz, a pair of gr-research's m130-16 mids, mounted mtm , playing down to about 250hz. i want to couple this to an 8 inchwoofer. the 8 only has to play to 80 hz. i'm thinking about adding a pair of powered 12 inch subs that can be ran OB to get the low end. my questions are:
1 can you recommend an 8 with paper cone and has 92db sesitivity that only costs around 50$ that will work in my setup?
2 what type of passive xover slopes work best wisth OB setups?
f3 if i decide to go with an active xover lke the behringer dcx2496 will i be able to run 100 watts to each driver?

i am looking at my options and OB is looking good but i don't know what is involved. thanks in advance

panomaniac

Re: IDEA
« Reply #1 on: 4 Jan 2008, 05:48 am »
Hmmm......  Well....   I can't think of an 8" right away, but if 6.5" will do, try this:
Tang Band W6-789S
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-852

A very nice woofer that will actually play all the way up to 12K.  It has very good tone in the midrange, is 92dB/W and fits your price.   I have 4 of them and think they are a great little driver.  It won't give you any bass at all on OB, but maybe you don't need it anyway.

Do you plan to go open for this driver?   If so, you'll have a very hard time getting to 80Hz without EQ, no matter what driver you use.  Just something to think about.


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Re: IDEA
« Reply #2 on: 4 Jan 2008, 02:16 pm »
Here are an 8" and a 10" that might work if placed near the floor- don't know about sound quality.
With the 8"s, if you can do it, two drivers/side would probably be better.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-330&CFID=15989212&CFTOKEN=27070523

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-332&CFID=15989212&CFTOKEN=27070523

Lin :)

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Re: IDEA
« Reply #3 on: 4 Jan 2008, 05:01 pm »
You could of course go all the way with Danny's kit. That will be a proven design and a very good one.
Otherwise consider the Eminence Alpha15 for OB Bass and try some designs in the circle or read
Martin Kings' paper on his passive solution: http://www.quarter-wave.com/General/OB_Design.pdf .

/Erling

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Re: IDEA
« Reply #4 on: 4 Jan 2008, 07:32 pm »
seems like you might be using a kit.... but I'd cross the neo3 over a few hundred hz higher.  You could do something like the cryolites (in OB) + eminence 15a (good choice).

ebag4

Re: IDEA
« Reply #5 on: 4 Jan 2008, 07:41 pm »
I recently did a similar thing, using OB bass in conjunction with GR Research's OB5/7 MTM section.  I used an Augie (15") for the bass section from 200Hz down and powered it separately using a sub amp with the low pass xover built in, here is the thread:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=48936.msg438890#msg438890

The results are outstanding.  I wouldn't mess with Danny's MTM xover (Neo3 crossed at 1800 Hz) as it sounds fantastic the way it is.

Best of luck!

Ed

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Re: IDEA
« Reply #6 on: 4 Jan 2008, 08:05 pm »
If there was an 8" woofer or any thing else that was a better solution that what I did use with the OB-5 and OB-7 designs then I'd use it too.

What I found is that crossover point is in the lower vocal region and splitting the signal up into dissimilar drivers, with different voice coil off sets, causes a phase shift (unless you are controlling it actively like ebag4 did) and looses coherency. A lower crossover point helps but about 200Hz is as low as a pair of M-130/16's can go in free air.

Plus allowing the low frequency load to be shared with four smaller woofers (OB-7 version) lowered the distortion by lowering the load to each driver, lowered the exertion level of each driver (less stored energy due to inertia) and lowered the mass compared to a larger woofer (less mass to have to put into motion and stop).

So the use of more smaller drivers did have its advantages.

Plus, the sealed box design (OB-7) kept bass response really tight and clean.

It is a well proven and tested design too.

For what it's worth I have some new 12" woofers on the way that are designed to play in free air and are servo controlled. You can read about those in my circle.

AUDFILE74

Re: IDEA
« Reply #7 on: 6 Jan 2008, 10:00 am »
Than you all for your input.i will take some soime to weigh out my options. thanks again

Andy G

Re: IDEA
« Reply #8 on: 25 Jan 2008, 12:08 pm »
YO Danny,

yep , the GR130-16's do just fine !!   Mine are used U-frame openback with a Seas 27TDFC in an MTM with a Jaycar 10" bass driver .

I actually cross the M130-16s just a bit below 200Hz, but mine have a U-frame which does give yuou a few extra Hz to play with.

A similar design would work well but using say the Peerless 830668 10" SLS   ( I have ideas for an all Peerless OBMTM+ bass ;-)

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gradds55/ARGOS/rockette.html

scorpion

Re: IDEA
« Reply #9 on: 25 Jan 2008, 09:05 pm »
Interestingly I have SDS134 and Neo3 in the bag for an OB MTM configuration. That's in line with my effort to spy for real good budget bargains.
But I will certainly pair these with the A&D 1524 in Bass OB ( http://www.traumboxen.de/ad-audio/r1524.htm ) which in my Volks-OB (see thread)
holds down to 40 Hz without EQ and produces very dry and distinct bass, another budget bargain at 42 Euros.  :D

/Erling

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Re: IDEA
« Reply #10 on: 26 Jan 2008, 12:03 am »
...the use of more smaller drivers did have its advantages.

Plus, the sealed box design (OB-7) kept bass response really tight and clean.

Danny,

I'm planning to rebuild the OB2X and was thinking of adding another M-130X  in a deeper but sealed cabinet.  Any thoughts?