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Sa-dono · « **Reply #20 on:** 16 Sep 2003, 10:15 pm »

So where do you recommend placing the Ferrites Psychicanimal?

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #21 on:** 16 Sep 2003, 11:09 pm »

Quote from: Sa-dono

So where do you recommend placing the Ferrites Psychicanimal?

Same as you see on your computer's equipment. On cord applications, ferrite rings/clamps are used near the component to prevent the cord from acting as a RF transmitter. This is a very broad subject and I know very little about it. I am aware, though, that there are different ferrites for different application, that their quality is very variable and that they need to be demagnetized after a while.

I have never tried using ferrites on ICs (Rat Shack recently introduced ICs w/ ferrite) but from what I've read on the forums they are detrimental to the music unless there's some serious RF conditions. There's info on this in the Audiogon archives, if I'm not mistaken.

For tuning power cords I strongly recommend the Highwire Wirewrap tuning device. It works, it's reasonably priced and it also acts as a filter. I use it on a Jena Labs cryo'ed Tice PC3 and the overall performance is simly stunning.

Gordy · « **Reply #22 on:** 17 Sep 2003, 03:35 am »

Ferrites really sucked the life out of my old Kimber KCAG's and Silver Streaks IC's, but worked well with a captive cord PS Audio 4.5. Now days they are only on non audio stuff like the refrigerator, T.V., flourescent lights and halide ballasts. I guess I should try them again on the captive tuner cord at least. Don't think they'd fit around the VH Audio PC's... On second thought, I do have some that could be worn as arm bracelets or work well for bovine birth control!!!

drphoto · « **Reply #23 on:** 18 Sep 2003, 07:42 pm »

So...are you guys saying that the el cheapo ferrites do nearly the same thing as the rather pricey bybee?

cryotweaks · « **Reply #24 on:** 18 Sep 2003, 08:27 pm »

Not even close. bybees are in line, not around-line. Meaning the signal passes through AND has contact with the Bybee material. The effect is more dramatic as well.

The Shunyata products (imhop) have more in common with ferrites. Read the patent abstracts on the Shunyata stuff. It is rather interesting. Pretty advanced stuff.

Sa-dono · « **Reply #25 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 03:02 am »

Quote from: cryotweaks

Not even close. bybees are in line, not around-line. Meaning the signal passes through AND has contact with the Bybee material. The effect is more dramatic as well.

The Shunyata products (imhop) have more in common with ferrites. Read the patent abstracts on the Shunyata stuff. It is rather interesting. Pretty advanced stuff.

While you have a point, it is possible that the ferrite could lower resonances much more effectively, which that article claimed may be the main difference in the ferrites changing the sound. If the bybees and ferrites main goal is simply EMI/RFI reduction, I am personally not sure why a good line conditioner would not be as, or more, effective (although more expensive). If the ferrites do not detract from the music, like I feel bybees do, then they may be worth a try for me. I have liked the Shunyata gear I have heard so far.

satfrat · « **Reply #26 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 04:08 am »

Sa-Dono, your opinions on Bybee`s effects on music as being detracting is a minority opinion and any review I`ve ever read has raved about the positive, enlightening benefits, which I firmly agree with. Maybe you know of a negative Bybee review that I don`t know about? Regards, Robin

Sa-dono · « **Reply #27 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 05:26 am »

Quote from: satfrat

Sa-Dono, your opinions on Bybee`s effects on music as being detracting is a minority opinion and any review I`ve ever read has raved about the positive, enlightening benefits, which I firmly agree with. Maybe you know of a negative Bybee review that I don`t know about? Regards, Robin

I will admit my opinion is in the minority. I have no problem with that, or with others liking Bybees. As for reviews, if you want major publication or "official" online reviews, I'm not aware of any..but then I have not read of any that rave about Bybees either (although I have not sought out such reviews for opinions either way). I do know others feel the same as I do (although I was the first one to feel this way that I knew of at the time), and that there are quite a few people in the industry that agree. In the end, listen to them, if they work for you, great, if not, so be it as well. Since I know you love Bybees, then I'm glad for you. It's all about getting your system to sound how you want it anyway.

satfrat · « **Reply #28 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 07:17 am »

Enjoy the Music has a very good writeup on Bybee`s if you would be so inclined as to want to read one.

(I`m laughing with you) So you were the first to dislike Bybee`s heh? I just KNEW there was something special about you but I could just never put my finger on it.

But I do agree with you whole heartily that in the end, it`s whatever works for the individual that counts.

And while I`m here, I`d like to state I think you guys are doing a much better job of moderating, as good a job as Bybee`s btw. (snicker) Regards, Robin

Sa-dono · « **Reply #29 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 08:42 am »

Quote from: satfrat

So you were the first to dislike Bybee`s heh? I just KNEW there was something special about you but I could just never put my finger on it.

Hey..let's not be taking my comment out of context (even if you are joking)

I was saying that I was the first one that I knew of that did not think Bybees were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Until I actually heard them, I had only read glowing reviews. I have since found that there are others that agree with me regarding the negatives of Bybees (although Bybees still offer some positives as well).

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But I do agree with you whole heartily that in the end, it`s whatever works for the individual that counts. And while I`m here, I`d like to state I think you guys are doing a much better job of moderating, as good a job as Bybee`s btw. (snicker) Regards, Robin

Glad to hear you agree there. And thanks for the comment..coming from you that must be a good thing

Xi-Trum · « **Reply #30 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 12:04 pm »

Quote from: satfrat

Maybe you know of a negative Bybee review that I don`t know about? Regards, Robin

satfrat, do personal reviews count?

Here's my write up on it: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=4682

Whenever I have a negative impression of something, I would spend literally hours listening to confirm it. That's because such impressions are not to be taken lightly. And that's why I stand by what I said.

From what I heard, the Bybee took away the vitality of the sound. On the other hand, the ferrites provided similar results without sucking the life out of the music.

I would recommend that anyone interested should try both and decide.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #31 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 12:44 pm »

Quote from: Xi-Trum

satfrat, do personal reviews count? Here's my write up on it: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=4682

Whenever I have a negative impression of something, I would spend literally hours listening to confirm it. That's because such impressions are not to be taken lightly. And that's why I stand by what I said.

From what I heard, the Bybee took away the vitality of the sound. On the other hand, the ferrites provided similar results without sucking the life out of the music.

I would recommend that anyone interested should try both and decide.

I do not know about that particular application (inline filtration in a digital cable) but that's something I would not tamper with. The Bybees are polishers and should be used as such. In order for a polisher to work effectively one must first do coarse and medium grade filtration: common mode noise, transverse mode noise. It is then when the polishig becomes noticeable and much appreciated. I have Bybees soldered to all four drivers of my mini monitors and when I send my transport for modding to Dan W. I'll ask him to install one in the power supply (polishing duty).

Edit: to clearly see how Bybees should be used, look at the upper BPT models: Balanced transformer first for common mode noise, then capacitors for transverse mode noise and finally Bybees for polishing...

cryotweaks · « **Reply #32 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 01:36 pm »

Sa-Dono, I know that you have heard the Bybees in interconnects, and at the speaker level as well. I will agree with you that in some systems I have heard, there is a tradeoff. To me what is gained is far more than what may be lost (or to my ears, a bit more recessed).

Anyhow, have you listened to them at length when applied to AC?

satfrat · « **Reply #33 on:** 19 Sep 2003, 05:19 pm »

Quote from: Xi-Trum

satfrat, do personal reviews count? Here's my write up on it: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=4682

Whenever I have a negative impression of something, I would spend literally hours listening to confirm it. That's because such impressions are not to be taken lightly. And that's why I stand by what I said.

From what I heard, the Bybee took away the vitality of the sound. On the other hand, the ferrites provided similar results without sucking the life out of the music.

I would recommend that anyone interested should try both and decide.

******************************************************* This is not intended to be an insult and I hope it`s not looked upon as such, but your your posted opinions here on AC or any other forum for that matter Xi-Trum are your opinions and that`s all they are. That`s a faaar cry from being a published review, IMHO. You get your views published in a magazine or just led me to a published negative review on Bybee`s(unlike Francisco Duran`s recent review in Positive Feedback for example) and I`ll be happy to read and acknowledge it.

But ultimitely like Sa-Dono alluded too, I`ll trust my ears and go in the direction that MOST pleases me. And that be Bybee boulevard, thank you.

I`m done on this subject, I really only stated my opinion because Sa-Dono stated his like it was some sort of fact or something.

Regards, Robin

Xi-Trum · « **Reply #34 on:** 20 Sep 2003, 01:29 am »

satfrat, no offense taken. To each his own.

There are very few published magazines that I would put any weight on. Unless the magazine doesn't take advertising, few are credible. Sometimes, a product review would come off like a marketing literature.

A long time ago, I'd bought components based on a "respected" magazine's class-blah-blah-blah recommended list. The result? Disappointment was an understatement. Maybe you've had better luck than I. I'm happy for ya.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #35 on:** 20 Sep 2003, 02:41 am »

Quote from: Xi-Trum

A long time ago, I'd bought components based on a "respected" magazine's class-blah-blah-blah recommended list. The result? Disappointment was an understatement.

How true.

Sa-dono · « **Reply #36 on:** 20 Sep 2003, 04:51 am »

Quote from: satfrat

This is I`m done on this subject, I really only stated my opinion because Sa-Dono stated his like it was some sort of fact or something.

I hope you're kidding satfrat. Otherwise you're in need of going back to school for some basic reading comprehension

Looking at my statement, I made it very clear that it was my opinion. Unless you want me to plaster "IMO" everywhere. "If the ferrites do not detract from the music, like I feel bybees do, then they may be worth a try for me[/i]." Look at the parts I bolded and italicized. If[/i] I wanted to state it as fact, I would say that "Bybees suck and detract from the music," and ban all of the Bybee lovers

Sa-dono · « **Reply #37 on:** 20 Sep 2003, 05:01 am »

Quote from: cryotweaks

Sa-Dono, I know that you have heard the Bybees in interconnects, and at the speaker level as well. I will agree with you that in some systems I have heard, there is a tradeoff. To me what is gained is far more than what may be lost (or to my ears, a bit more recessed).

Anyhow, have you listened to them at length when applied to AC?

Yes, there can be a tradeoff, and considering I feel the positives can be gained elsewhere, I would rather not add anything that induces any negative. Please note this is all IMO (satfrat

). And yes, I have also heard Bybees in power cords, and still found the same problems. I'm willing to hear them in a BPT...anyone that wants to convince Chris to pay shipping both ways for me to audition a 3.5, or that wants to donate to such a cause is welcome to do so

(<----This is me being sarcastic. I wouldn't turn down such an offer though.

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john curl · « **Reply #38 on:** 22 Sep 2003, 01:57 am »

Folks, I have been with Jack Bybee, when the devices even failed to give improved sound quality in the POWER LINE. INLINE is a lot more intimate. Let's get down to basics. First, most people think that Bybees are a fake, and do nothing at all. But, of course, they do, do something! This is not easily measurable, trust me, I have some of the best equipment available. However, they don't always do 'good' for the audio signal. Jack Bybee accepts this, so should everyone else.

satfrat · « **Reply #39 on:** 23 Sep 2003, 12:58 am »

Ok guys, I gotta fess up. Today, I met a fellow AC member, Billatlakegeorge and listened to his system,,, SWEEET. He had Parasound amp (A52), processor(C2), tuner, and Onix Reference 2 speakers. He also had a digital cable made up by Alan Maher utilizing Shakti. The sound was crystal clear with ultra sweet highs. I brought along my Ridge Street Digital Link with 2 Bybee`s as a goodwill gesture and of course, we compared. We also differed in our opinions, mainly preference, but there was one thing we agreed on. I WAS WRONG, Bybee`s DO roll the highs off, no doubt about it. Hantra and others, ya`all was right, I was dead wrong. BUT, and this is where Bill & I differ, I liked my Ridge Street better and I felt that the rolloff was an easy tradeoff for everything else that this cable did. There seemed to be more body to my cable with a deeper soundstage and just more balance thruout the whole range with the Ridge Street w/Bybee`s whereas Bill`s Shaki cable was definitely crystal clear on the highs but the sound was very localized. Bill felt different about it as he likes everything well defined. This is all personal preference and we both agreed that these were two VERY GOOD digital cables. But I did feel I needed to state for te record that I was sorely mistaken about this Bybee rolloff on the highs. But theres no way in hell that you`ll see any of my Bybee adapters up for sale anytime soon. This could all change once I get my new Lorelei`s tho?

Regards, Robin