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Psychicanimal · « **Reply #60 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 04:23 am »

Quote from: nathanm

Erm, I'm not quite sure what the point of this "reply" is, Psych.

I am just focusing on exactly what Jerry posted that triggered your response. Obviously you (and neither the site's owner) get Jerry's point.
Hint: How does an eagle locate its prey? The answer is neither enigmatic nor mysterious...

Get with it Brother Nate!!

Sa-dono · « **Reply #61 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 04:59 am »

Okay people..we're getting off topic from Bybees & Ferrite Beads. If everyone wants to talk about EQ, pots, etc...please start a new thread, or ask one of us facilitators to move the relevant posts to a new thread. Thanks all!

satfrat · « **Reply #62 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 05:00 am »

Quote from: jqp

I am seeing audio history being made!

I have not heard bybees or ferrites, just read about them. These comments are interesting and seem to confirm my understanding of what is going on.

Know this JQP, just because I "think" I heard this high frequency rolloff doesn`t mean that I don`t like what Bybee`s to for the depth and dynamic expansion of the soundstage. AND this rolloff could very well have been the Bybee`s filtering out the high frequency "hash" from the digital signal. My ears as well as my mind is not all that educated. But I do know what I like,,,, no,,,, LOVE! And that`s my Ridge Street Audio Design`s Midnight Silver Edition 'gen.11' Digital Link w/ BYBEE`S. It kicks ass to my ears and brings a realism to music that surpases accuracy. I don`t want such accuracy in my system that I can pinpoint the speaker. I don`t even want to know that I have speakers in my system, I just want the musicians,,,, PERIOD! And Bybee`s help create this for me. I hope this helps explain where I`m coming from.

Regards, Robin

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #63 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 01:11 pm »

Quote from: Sa-dono

Okay people..we're getting off topic from Bybees & Ferrite Beads. If everyone wants to talk about EQ, pots, etc...please start a new thread, or ask one of us facilitators to move the relevant posts to a new thread. Thanks all!

Well, then, I'll explain Audiojerry's point and move on. I really want to see what Lak has to say about the Bybees, as he uses several plug-in modules. I can also drive to his house and check it out for myself...

An eagle finds its prey by means of extremely high resolution vision--not because its eyes are some sort of zoom lens. Resolution in optics is how close you can have two dots and still be viewed as such instead of one blurred dot. Remember those kiddies microscopes that say 300X? Well, the medical/lab grade microscopes whack them @ 20X.

What Jerry is saying in plain English is that loss of resolution cannot be compensated for by amplifying (magnifying) the output--in this case the tweeter's.

doug s. · « **Reply #64 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 03:10 pm »

hey satfrat, didja have a pair of ridgestreet cables w/o bybees for comparison? if not, how d'ya know it was the bybees that rolled off the hi frequencies? if it *was* the bybees, mebbe ridgestreet cables w/o 'em would be the best of both worlds?

doug s.

nathanm · « **Reply #65 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 03:21 pm »

Psych - I was not addressing Jerry's post directly, I just used it as a basis for a different tangent. Of course I understood his point, what I wrote was built off of that.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #66 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 03:45 pm »

Quote from: doug s.

hey satfrat, didja have a pair of ridgestreet cables w/o bybees for comparison? if not, how d'ya know it was the bybees that rolled off the hi frequencies? if it *was* the bybees, mebbe ridgestreet cables w/o 'em would be the best of both worlds?

doug s.

Yo Doug!

The Ridge Street cables do not roll high frequencies. They are extremely revealling yet musical and therefore not for your average system. In reality, Robin has never heard his digital cable. Never gave it a shot.

Quote from: nathanm

Psych - I was not addressing Jerry's post directly, I just used it as a basis for a different tangent. Of course I understood his point, what I wrote was built off of that.

OK. You gave the impression of directly reacting to Jerry's statement. Let's wait for Lak's input...

doug s. · « **Reply #67 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 03:57 pm »

Quote from: Psychicanimal

Yo Doug!

The Ridge Street cables do not roll high frequencies. They are extremely revealling yet musical and therefore not for your average system. In reality, Robin has never heard his digital cable. Never gave it a shot.

i know yer feelings about the ridge street cabling, francisco. which is one of the reasons i asked the rhetorical question...

doug s.

Tyson · « **Reply #68 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 04:08 pm »

Quote from: satfrat

AND this rolloff could very well have been the Bybee`s filtering out the high frequency "hash" from the digital signal.

That is my thought exactly.

jqp · « **Reply #69 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 04:18 pm »

Quote from: satfrat

Know this JQP, just because I "think" I heard this high frequency rolloff doesn`t mean that I don`t like what Bybee`s to for the depth and dynamic expansion of the soundstage. AND this rolloff could very well have been the Bybee`s filtering out the high frequency "hash" from the digital signal. My ears as well as my mind is not all that educated. But I do know what I like,,,, no,,,, LOVE! And that`s my Ridge Street Audio Design`s Midnight Silver Edition 'gen.11' Digital Link w/ BYBEE`S. It kicks ass to my e ...

My point was simply that, while no one seems to know what bybees do (except for perhaps Bybee and those sworn to secrecy, including the Navy), bybees do not always improve the sound.

This seems to be more often the case when bybees are used in a power cord geometry. That is, Bybee himself has said that they do not help in some cases. And to me it is no big surprise, assuming they do work at all. Remember, or realize, that this Nybee technology was developed to increase sensitivity for sonar where the power source was DC. So a benefit to AC power may not be there...Bybee even disagrees with some who would emphasize and market Bybees use for AC power according to an audio mag a few years back.

For use in cables/interconnects Bybee feels these filters can help. But some have felt that this application does not help in all cases, as you yourself found (I think).

These statements are simply based on what I have read on this subject on the web in general and on AC or HD.

I am definitely interested in this technology and would like to understand it. Doping metals to allow for certain effects is certainly interesting and has definitely benefited technologies such as semi-conductors and sonar. Why shouldn't it help audio? But at what level does it help to reproduce exactly the audio source (my goal)? I am not interested in spending megabucks to see if I can hear a difference, especially when it seems to not be a must have item. When I know what it SHOULD do for my system (not just "make it sound so smooth, etc."), and the cost is reasonable, I will invest in this technology.

satfrat · « **Reply #70 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 05:46 pm »

Quote from: doug s.

hey satfrat, didja have a pair of ridgestreet cables w/o bybees for comparison? if not, how d'ya know it was the bybees that rolled off the hi frequencies? if it *was* the bybees, mebbe ridgestreet cables w/o 'em would be the best of both worlds?

doug s.

Believeme Doug, I`ve thought of that but in the end, I`m MORE than happy with the Digital Link the way it is, especially after hearing the difference that it had in Bill`s Parasound/Onix ref2 system. I`m also VERY familiar with the Bybee`s attributes in a digital coax application from utilizing 2 Bolder Bybeee inlines on my Monster Cable Datalink. The depth and dynamic gains were there on both cables and I yanked them inlines in/out enough times to know what they do. But I do still wish I had a Bybee-less Ridge Street to compare with, if to only settle any lingering question in my mind. This is one BIG reason I envy you guys out in Colorado/California region in that your all able to get together and compare stuff. I had a ball at Bill`s place and we compared the experience to that of a Dam session, only on a much smaller scale. Oh ya, jqp, have you ever heard Jack Bybee say in any public forum that his Bybee`s were detrimental to audio in ANY application? I haven`t but I have heard B.Crump counterdick John Curl on this Bybee issue many times at AA.

Regards, Robin

john curl · « **Reply #71 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 07:54 pm »

Please don't second-guess Bob and my opinion on Bybees. I have worked and still do, with both Bob and Jack on many projects. Jack Bybee believes in his product, but I have been with him, when it didn't help a particular set-up. Both Bob and I use Bybees in our own systems, but I use them in more places than Bob does, and Jack Bybee uses them just about everywhere in his system. These devices effect the sound, usually improving it, BUT they do NOT create any measurable roll-off or phase-shift of the audio signal. I know this for sure, BECAUSE I have the test equipment to measure them, and I have made the measurements. The Bybee devices tend to act more like 'noise gates' often used in pro audio 'sweetening'. Do they or do they not take away some of the original information, as well as added distortion? No one knows for sure.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #72 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 08:34 pm »

Quote from: john curl

Do they or do they not take away some of the original information, as well as added distortion? No one knows for sure.

How about the second law of thermodynamics?

jqp · « **Reply #73 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 09:48 pm »

Quote from: satfrat

Oh ya, jqp, have you ever heard Jack Bybee say in any public forum that his Bybee`s were detrimental to audio in ANY application? I haven`t but I have heard B.Crump counterdick John Curl on this Bybee issue many times at AA. ...

No, and I'm sure he wouldn't use Bybees in a detrimental way. I haven't read much of what he himself has said - I would love to see his own words about the Bybee technology. (Also I try to stay away from AA.) I just read that he feels that in some applications they do not HELP the sound, e.g. it is a waste to use Bybees for a power cord in some scenarios...But that means fewer may be sold - so to some that is "detrimental"

john curl · « **Reply #74 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 10:39 pm »

JQP, you are just guessing. You don't seem to have tried them, you don't know anything about how they work, and don't seem to really believe people when they hear a difference with using these parts.
For the record, the latest Bybee devices use a 0.025ohm resistor in parallel with the parts. 99% of you out there, could not even measure the EXISTANCE of a Bybee device if put in your circuit.
However, they do make a sonic difference, and usually they 'soften' the sound, much like 'rolling off the highs' might tend to sound like, BUT they don't measurably roll of the high's. Go figure.
They do work with AC, and the newer parts are different than the DC parts first made many decades ago for submarines, and are most probably made today in some form different than what Jack Bybee sells.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #75 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 11:08 pm »

Quote from: john curl

However, they do make a sonic difference, and usually they 'soften' the sound, much like 'rolling off the highs' might tend to sound like, BUT they don't measurably roll of the high's. Go figure.

Ah!, the excitement of glare...

That's something I discovered early when learning about line filtration: glare IS exciting!

jqp · « **Reply #76 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 11:11 pm »

What am I guessing about?

I have never tried them, I do know something about how they work assuming what I have read is true, and I do believe that people can hear a difference.

I also understand that "softening" the sound could be the percieved effect of simply filtering out the noise or interference that would otherwise accompany the highs...

My "guess" is that throwing bybees at all your cords and cables does not necessarily improve your sound. And from what I have read, Jack Bybee will back me up on this.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #77 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 11:17 pm »

Quote from: jqp

I have never tried them...

Get a couple of them things!

john curl · « **Reply #78 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 11:18 pm »

Thanks for the feedback. For the record, I have found that Bybees almost always work on fairly bright, revealing systems. They will sometimes 'overdamp' the overall sound, if it has been adjusted to be 'forgiving' in the first place. When it comes to Bybees DIRECTLY in the audio line. Well, it depends. For TV inputs, I always use a Bybee, for analog records, usually not. Does this clarify the situation?

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #79 on:** 24 Sep 2003, 11:23 pm »

Quote from: john curl

Thanks for the feedback. For the record, I have found that Bybees almost always work on fairly bright, revealing systems. They will sometimes 'overdamp' the overall sound, if it has been adjusted to be 'forgiving' in the first place. When it comes to Bybees DIRECTLY in the audio line. Well, it depends. For TV inputs, I always use a Bybee, for analog records, usually not. Does this clarify the situation?

John,

You did design the CEC built Parasound belt driven transport CBD-2000, is that right? I bought one a couple of months ago and I'm wondering whether Bybees would help. Do you recommend using them and if so, where?

Thanks.

P/A