[denjo]

Hi Robin

Thank goodness I did not buy any, certainly not at that kind of price! If it does similar things as Alan's PEs, I would rather stick with Alan's! At least you have a menu of four choices!!

Best regards
Dennis

[denjo]

Robin

I posted this as I was interested to find out the differences between the two. If they basically did the same things, then Alan Maher's PE is a steal! Let's hope Alan will chime in to explain.

Best regards
Dennis

[JenMaher]

I'm sorry gents, as many of you know, Alan is technically on the road.  He will be back March 21 and we start accepting pre-orders March 1 for a March 24-29 shipping week.

Dennis-
We pay very little attention to the audiophile market, our goal is to make the best product possible for the best price.

Robin-
Alan doesn't like to use single value capacitors for power conditioner designs, he feels it limits the performance.  I highly recommend that you swap the caps in and out and compare notes.  Email me later in the week and I will ask Alan when he calls for tips.

[JenMaher]

Robin-
I would assume it sounds similar to having a Quantum Pro in the same system.  In our system the Pro's depend greatly on the cabling installed.  When Alan uses standard studio cabling he prefers one filter or the other, but when he installs darker sounding cabling the Pro and PE sound very nice together, each building off the others strengths.  We sell the RR-77 via special order, but have not spent a lot of time comparing it to other designs.  Alan had one for a couple of days before installing it in a studio several months back.  I remember he liked it, but not enough to pick one up for our system.  Alan felt the Reference power cable (before tweaking) did a better job of filtering the component.

[Paul_Bui]

I'm sorry gents, as many of you know, Alan is technically on the road.  We will be back March 21 and we start accepting pre-orders March 1 for a March 24-29 shipping week.

Hello Jen,

May I assume that the PE batch for the week of February 11 - February 16 has been shipped?

[JenMaher]

Yes all orders shipped.  At present I'm not home and don't have the shipping slips on me.  We shipped everything last Friday and Saturday.  Between the two of us going out of town it has been very busy the last couple of weeks, please excuse the delay.  I will send info Friday evening after I get home.  I also have a school coming up in the next week, please stop sending orders until I come home on March 10.  Thank you.

[Paul_Bui]

Jen,

Never mind!  It seems the shipments are on schedule.  As far as I know, Steve "mercman" is going to receive some today.  Me, I went out on the road and when coming back I got a "We Miss You" note from USPS.  So, hopefully they'll be here tomorrow.

Thank you.         

[kbuzz3]

I will email this to Mr. Maher but thought id get the board's opinion on where to and what type of PE to try.  The set up is the main issue, with the goal to eliminate high frequency hash/grunge, and if possible any resulting sibilence. 

Im in a large apt. complex on a top floor.  I only have access to one AC duplex. AC goes from this standard duplex to an older monster conditioner. My system is mounted in a permanant wall unit which blocks access to the duplex- so i cant get to it the add a PE at the duplex or swap out the monster for something more "audiophile" eg, bpt, shunyata, running springs. etc.

Due to the inflexiblity of the above, I am forced to run a plain bpt outlet bar from the monster up to my amp and pre.  My amp and pre amp are connected to the bar. The amp is a RWA battery unit so not an issue.  The pre is tube.

Above this on the next level, and for digital I have VH audio hot box (with a filter) connected to either the bar or run via a long pc to the monster.  My transport and dac are connected to the hot box. I cant recall if the hot box is connected directly to the bpt bar or to the monster. and its tough to get in back of the wall unit to see.

Ancillary equipment such as my tv/cable box go directly to the monster. Alternatively I sometimes run a deperate CDP direct to the monster.

OK given the above, im pretty sure the way to go would be a standard PE on the monster given its the intial power source.  I think I may be able to squeeze another on the juice bar or Vh box, but space is a very very tight. So any suggestions given this stupid set up would be appreciated


Thanks in advance

dm

[JenMaher]

dm-
I think the answer to your situation is the liberator cables my husband has recommended many times in the past.  The rest of the guys can chime in but the benefits of the add filters outweigh the added connection of the liberator.  The a/c male and monitor liberator offer the best bang for the buck.

[Bill@LakeGeorge]

Jen, You should take ove as COO of Alan Maher Designs

[Bill@LakeGeorge]

I'm sure COO, CFO and all the above.

[JenMaher]

No thank-you, I already have a job.

[kbuzz3]

dm-
I think the answer to your situation is the liberator cables my husband has recommended many times in the past.  The rest of the guys can chime in but the benefits of the add filters outweigh the added connection of the liberator.  The a/c male and monitor liberator offer the best bang for the buck.

Ms. Maher, thanks for the response. Was not sure i understood it.  What exaclty is a liberator? Are you suggesting the use of a liberator instead of or with a PE? More importnatly, and not to be a total incompetent, but ive searched under liberator and cant find anything. Can someone link me to a thread or post explaining what the liberator is. also cant seem to find it on the maher site. thanks again

[JenMaher]

Jen is fine.

Use the liberator with the PE.  The liberator will open up additional install locations within your system.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BSLRUI/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A38M5MWFO1KP4F&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/Efilliate-Inc-Cyberguys-Power-Liberator/dp/B0009K6WJY/ref=pd_sim_e_title_3

[zmanbands]

Jen, If One used a power strip liberator, your 2nd link above, and plugged any of the PE's into it, does the PE lose any of its effectiveness?

[kbuzz3]

the monster was installed inside a 6 foot high wall unit at the time the unit was attached to the wall by a carpenter.  There is only a small hole on the back on the wall unit for the PC. It is not near the duplex.

FYI did a quick search on liberator and didnt find it. Only some references. I havent had hours to  scroll throguh every page. But thanks for your concern

[JenMaher]

Shared circuit tuning ideas:  I spoke to Alan this evening and he advises to use circuits with a odd number of duplex outlets for best results. 

outlet 1     >     Outlet 2     >     Outlet 3     >     Outlet 4     >     Outlet 5
  PE II                 PE                   PE IV                PE                   PE II

Outlet 1, 3, and 5 offer the best audio and video.  Outlet 1 and 5 will sound better than 3 by a small margin.  This set up is good for single point hook up or multi-component hook up to the wall.

Alan suggests this set up for those looking to tune the in-wall wiring to sound like a super high-end power cord.  He recommends treating the line as a power cord with multiple ringing nodes.  Installing the PE II in outlet 1 and 5 offers a similar sound and video reproduction as our Studio Reference power cable line.  The PE IV installed in outlet 3 helps to develop the electrical center of the in-wall wiring between outlet 1 and 5.  Outlet 2 and 4 provide additional line damping and tuning in the upper midrange and lower treble..  A PE or PE III can be used for outlet 2 and 4, Alan suggests to use two of the same model instead of one PE and one PE III.  The above suggestion is excellent for digital based systems and home theater set ups.

Dedicated circuits are a little different, but can offer the same level of filtering if you follow the above diagram using a/c male and iec liberator adapter cables.

More examples:

Outlet 1     >     Outlet 2     >     Outlet 3     >     Outlet 4
  PE II                  PE                    PE                  PE II

Outlet 1 and 4 will offer the best audio and video with a single or dual point of hook up to the wall.


Outlet 1     >     Outlet 2     >     Outlet 3     >     Outlet 4     >     Outlet 5     >     Outlet 6
  PE II                  PE                   PE IV               PE IV                PE                   PE II

Outlet 1, 3, 4, and 6 offer the best audio and video in a multi-component hook up to the wall.  Outlet 1 or 6 should be used in a single or dual point hook up to the wall.

The suggestions can also be used for non-audio/video circuits.  Non-audio/video circuits will depend on the number of outlets vs. the number of appliances.  Single outlet circuits should install a PE.  Circuits with appliances but unknown duplex outlets should use multiple PE's to treat appliances.  Known number of duplex outlets should use one of the above set ups for best tuning effect back at the main audio/video system.

[mercman]

Jen,

Thanks for the shared circuit tuning ideas.  They were very helpful.  I guess I'll wait until 3/10 to order another PE II.  Everything is sounding excellent.

Thanks,

Steve

[JenMaher]

Steve-
Keep us posted.

Note: Last chance for PE and PE II orders for the next couple of weeks.  All orders must be received by Feb 28, 2008 for Saturday shipment.  Pre-orders can re-start March 10.  While I'm at the seminar I will be out of the loop for a couple of weeks, please excuse any e-mail response delays, I will try to address each e-mail as time permits.

[jmichael]

The circuit remains at 50/60Hz ???  The PE effects the upper odd harmonics that ride above 60 Hz.  The stereo system will experience the change starting in the upper bass region and it will continue up through the top octave.  The filter is not effecting your analog amplifier, so it's not really filtering at 100 Hz, it actually starts at 125 KHz, but it's effecting the digital circuits in your system that reproduce 100 Hz signals.  Each PE provides filtering up to 750 MHz.  Each added filter couples to the original and extends the filtering bandwidth.  The amount of extension depends on the location of the second, third, forth, etc, filter in relationship to the stereo system.  The specs are based on a 20 amp circuit.

I need to ask a question because I'm not an electrical just a listening engineer.    Do the PEs and other filtration devices not filter the frequency starting at 1 hz and above or is there even noise at this level? I would assume that there's noise at all frequency levels. All replies are welcome.