[zmanbands]

Day 12 sounds the same as day 11 Jen, [on the reference power cord].

[vett93]

I suggest we wait for another few days because the PE takes a good 10 to 12 days to settle down, better to get the first one settled before trying to install the next one.

Can you please explain why you want to wait for the first one settled before installing the next one? Why won't you put all PEs on at the same time?

[JenMaher]

zmanbands-
Sounds good, now compare notes with day 25, 45, 60, and 90.  Your system would greatly benefit from the new Reference Power Center and Ref One filters.


vett93-
"Can you please explain why you want to wait for the first one settled before installing the next one? Why won't you put all PEs on at the same time?"

The PE works on the harmonic balance of the circuit, it's placement or location on the circuit can also tailor the sound and video quality.  It is best to let each filter stabilize so you can first have a understanding of what the PE did for the circuit, and how the next filter should be tailored to improve the performance.  As mentioned in our guide, if the PE is placed in between the circuit breaker and the system outlet the sound quality will be brighter and more dynamic, placed in between the system outlet and the last outlet on the circuit the sound quality will be warmer, and installed as recommended the sound quality will be a mix of the two.  Most people plug and play and forget the circuit can be tuned to match their particular system and musical preference.  If you spend the time and follow the suggestions in our tuning guide you will be very happy with the final results.  Paul is the first AC member to go on record with a properly tuned home, he replaced a few super high end power conditioners with our PE system and appears to be very happy with the end result.

http://alanmaherdesigns.com/DIY.aspx

My statement assumes you purchased all the same model PE, but if you decided to purchase one of the tuned circuit combo packs, then the filters would all be installed on the same circuit at the same time.  We offer the following packages:

Combo 1:

2 - PE II
2 - PE
1 - PE III

Combo 2:

2 - PE II
2 - PE
1 - PE V S/AC

Since this is your first purchase I would highly recommend trying our new PE V S/AC for your stereo system.  We are selling on average 2 to 4 units per customer.

[michaelv]

I'd like to jump in as i'm pretty happy with my setup right now:

1> Hometheater room:  There are 8  duplexes in the room. So i pick the outlet that is next to my system as outlet 1 (O1)

   O1 -> PE  and Power conditioner
   O2 -> PE IV
   O3 -> PE
   Hammond choke 193L at power conditioner IEC

   I mainly do this for video: picture is awesome. Also, sound is cleaner compared to before installing PE series. (I don't have high end stuffs in my hometheater so i can't compare with others)

2> 2-Channel room:
    O1 -> PE V custom/pro -> PS audio UPC-200 [I intend to get rid of PS audio , but i keep it as a surge/spike protector]
    O5 -> Reference One Filter.

   The sound before adding Reference One filter was excellent: i can hear every details from my favourite CDs.  After adding Reference One filter, the sound is kind of overly warm, but it is now so smooth from top to the bottom. I especially like the bass( which is the weakness in my system): punchy and deep.

   I'm sure that my systems can be improved a few notches more, but i like what i hear right now and i don't dare to change them

  Hope this helps based on my own experience.

[vett93]

Thanks Jen. I have pre-ordered 1 PE V S/AC and 3 PEs. My 2-ch has a dedicated circuit and this circuit has only one duplex outlet. So there is only one place for PE V S/AC.

I plan to use the 3 PEs to reduce noises from other circuits; e.g., kithen, office computer, and TV. One of your posts suggested that it does not matter where one places PEs for non-2ch circuits. So these 3 PEs should be just plug-'n-play, right?

Then why can't I just plug in all four PE devices and let them settle at the same time? Please advise. Thanks.

[JenMaher]

michaelv-
It's now all about the power cords.  When you are ready we can tailor a cable package that fits your needs.  I am so happy the system sounds that good, but it's only 50% of what it can sound after the cables and strips have been added.  Look into our Reference line next month, I will be running a special on the power cord and power center, this package will be superb in your set up.

Is the Ref One that warm in your system?  Could the warmth possibly be coming from the PS Audio?  Have you tried to remove it just to verify?  How many chokes on the same circuit?

[JenMaher]

vett93-
On the non circuits plug the PE into offending appliance duplex outlets.  The only time placement matters is when you purchase one of the PE packages.

"Then why can't I just plug in all four PE devices and let them settle at the same time? Please advise. Thanks."

Settle time has to do with the same circuit install.  We try to teach the user what to listen for when doing a install, that is impossible to hear each application when they are all installed at one time.

[michaelv]

michaelv-
It's now all about the power cords.  When you are ready we can tailor a cable package that fits your needs.  I am so happy the system sounds that good, but it's only 50% of what it can sound after the cables and strips have been added.  Look into our Reference line next month, I will be running a special on the power cord and power center, this package will be superb in your set up.

Is the Ref One that warm in your system?  Could the warmth possibly be coming from the PS Audio?  Have you tried to remove it just to verify?  How many chokes on the same circuit?

Jen,
  Ref One now is not that warm, but i would say it's smooth. I think it's partial related to PS Audio too. It may also be that i get used to with harsh sound before adding PE V.

  I took PS audio out and plug in a powerstrip which I DIYed a while ago. The top is a bit extended, but not much.  I have Hammond 193L installed on top of PE V custom/pro that Aland did it for me.  I didn't treat Ref One with Quicksilver Gold yet.

  All of my power cables terminated with Oyaide C/P-079, by the way. And i think they're not over break-in time yet.

  One thing for sure is that the soundstage is huge.

[JenMaher]

michaelv-
Have you thought of trying the IEC version of the S/AC for one or two of your components?  This option would erase any negative side effects caused by the power cabling and eliminate the need for more expensive cables.  It's a shame we haven't sold a bunch of these filters because they really kick serious butt, next time Alan calls I will ask him if I can extend the introductory pricing to the IEC filters.

[michaelv]

michaelv-
Have you thought of trying the IEC version of the S/AC for one or two of your components?  This option would erase any negative side effects caused by the power cabling and eliminate the need for more expensive cables.  It's a shame we haven't sold a bunch of these filters because they really kick serious butt, next time Alan calls I will ask him if I can extend the introductory pricing to the IEC filters.

Jen,
 I'm not quite sure i understand the application. Do you mean that i should replace all PE, PE IV with just one IEC version of S/AC?  Or add one more IEC S/AC in addition to  PE V custom / pro?  Can you lay out the sample how these connected to each other?

thanks.

[JenMaher]

michaelv-
I am suggesting to replace the little PE models with the larger PE V IEC filter.  The smaller models can be used to tune other circuits.  The V IEC will plug in between the cable IEC connector and the component power inlet.  The power cord will plug into the filter adapter on one side and the other side of the adapter will plug into the component.  The filter is tuned to your Pro Custom and will offer a huge upgrade in performance and system synergy compared to the smaller units used in a similar configuration.

[JenMaher]

Update:  I spoke to Alan this morning and he has authorized me to sell the current stock of PE V IEC filters for $250 (list $275) while supplies last.  I have a few in stock if anyone is interested. 

The PE V IEC filter is capable of transforming any low to mid grade power cord (anything under $1000) into a super high end power cable that can easily compete with cables in the $2000 to $3000 price range.  The IEC filter offers isolated a/c for the selected component and PE V S/AC parallel filtering to the remaining circuit components.  The filter offers an enormous sound stage with pin point imaging, increased bass extension and resolution, articulation, open midrange, and detailed and extended highs.  The IEC models offer the next step up in PE purification and circuit tuning.

[JenMaher]

Demo Sale:  I have 1-5' Studio Reference Jr. cable available in mint condition.  The demo price for the cable is $375 (list $500).  If anyone is interested please email me for more information.  All sales are final.

[zmanbands]

Something I noticed today for the first time. The sweet spot for my system is "GREATLY", expanded. Don't know what contrbuted to it but it sure is bigger. A year and a half ago it was about the size of a soccer ball. Now it is at least 5'x 3'. I sense the shakti's on my power panels and reference power cords may have played a big part in this. BUT HOW???

[vett93]

Zman, which components do you use the Reference power cords on?

I also put Shakti stones on the AC main panel. They indeed work well. Did it take you days for Shakti stones to settle? Mine seemed to settle quickly.

[JenMaher]

zmanbands-
Right now you are only experiencing the tip of the iceberg of what can be achieved with Alan products.  Our products are designed to transform your listening experience.  If I may, here is a list of items that will greatly expand the sound field and create a 3 dimensional experience:

1.  PE V S/AC
2.  Reference Power Center
3.  Reference Power Cable
4.  PE V IEC or PE V Pro IEC

The Pro Custom was not recommended because it is a self contained circuit.  The RPC would be a better match for your present electrical set up.  The above selection is listed in order preference and will offer tremendous transformations with each step.


vett93-
Start with the first component in your system.  That could mean your CD transport or the power conditioner main power cable.  Start with the first component closest to the wall duplex and work your way to amplifier/powered monitors, don't skip around or you will experience lack luster results.

[zmanbands]

vett93. The cords are on my SACD and Power amp. These are the only 2 that have detachable pwr cords. If my other components had detachable cords I would put them there also. The Shaktis were installed in 3 phases. [I have 2 panels] The 1st was the most noticable and it was, as I recall, mostly in the first dayor two, then more in day 5 and more in day 10,15. Improvements for 2nd & 3rd were similiar but were about 40% of the improvement of the 1st [over the 15 day break-in time period.] I might add I have 193L IEC chokes on the SACD and power amp as well!!

[zmanbands]

Jen, where would the PE V S/AC and reference power center fit in my system? The web site says coming soon? What are their costs and time table? See my system description a few pages back.

[vett93]

Thanks, zman. What power cords did you use before?

Is your subwoofer on the same circuit with your SACD player and amp? I have two Velodyne SPL-1500R subs. They are Class-D 1000Wrms amps and I found them generate too much noise on the 2-ch music. I moved them to a different circuit. There was less noise but still there. Finally, I upgraded my speakers and use subs only for HT.

[JenMaher]

zmanbands-
I would recommend to install the PE V S/AC at the main system duplex.  If this is not an option the next idea is to install one or two PE V IEC filters on the end of your Reference power cords.  The IEC version is the same exact filter as the S/AC and will provide component isolated a/c and system parallel filtering to the remaining components.  Both models (PE V S/AC and PE V IEC) are on sale ($250) to the end of the month.

The Reference Power Center should become the hub for all components.  The RPC is a combination of the Reference power cable, Ref One filter, PRT treatment, and our Ref 8 power strip w/cryo treated a/c plug.  I have already started accepting pre-orders for the RPC.  All pre-orders will be shipped before July 15.  Alan and I will be out of town for two weeks starting July 17 and want all orders filled and shipped prior to leaving.   The pre-order price for the RPC is $350 ($400 list) plus shipping and PayPal.  If you liked the Reference power cable, then you will love the RPC.