[michaelv]

I guess it does not matter. I have Reference One at the outlet. Besides, i have 2 dimmers in the house. They lights up in the dark .

thanks.

[JenMaher]

Did you try playing with the Reference One placement, what were the results?

I plan on working on the web site this weekend and add a few items and I would love to have some comments to post on the Ref One.  Alan said yesterday he was thinking of nixing the PE III for now because of the gold prices and lack of sales.  if anyone wants one now might be your last chance to order one.

June 15 pre-orders: we will be running a special on the PE V S/AC to the end of the month.  Price: $250 (list: $275) plus shipping and Paypal.  Get them while supplies last.

[michaelv]

Jen,
  I unplug Ref. One from video circuit which has hammond choke and move it to 2-channel circuit It's in the fourth outlet from the outlet where PE V/Custom pro is.

 The first impression:  sound stage is  even bigger even though PE V/pro custom has already been great. Mid range is smooth and relax. The low end is can be described in one word: punchy. However, the high does not change.  Note that the Reference One is in this circuit for only 2 days. I guess more improvement is to come.

 Another Reference One is in the family room( different circuit and in different phase with audio circuit). I plug it in the main outlet where power conditioner is. PE is at plasmas IEC through cable liberator.  After a week, the color is shifting in good way: solid, more contrast and less noise. I think i have to re-calibrate the plasma ,but i want to wait until the break-in time is over.

 In general, i'm happy with Ref. One

[JenMaher]

michaelv-
Try the Reference One on a non PE/Hammond circuit and see what you think.  What kind of tweaks/power cords do you have in your system, the roll off is more than likely a cable interaction or a soft foot instead of the filter.  The filter may be highlighting a roll off that already exists, the reason why I say that is because the Ref One shunts noise the same -db amount from dc to 10 GHz, if the top end rolls off then everything else would do the same.

I really think you should try the Reference power cord next for your audio system, or move up to the Studio Reference line for each component.  Each design enhances the PE series in different ways.  The Reference tries to maintain the see through musical performance and adds a touch of sweetness to the high frequencies.  The Studio Reference has a tighter sound quality, open, and more upper midrange and top end detail.  The Plasma and Studio Reference v2 adds a PE V Pro Custom filter in line and really turbo charges the performance, if you love the PE V S/AC or Pro Custom filters then you'll go nuts for the Plasma ($775) or SR v2 ($1375).  We have already sold a few advanced orders for both models and the comments so far have been very positive.   

Another option is to start daisy-chaining Pro Custom filters together, we have three linked together in our system and the sound quality is superb, this might be a better max benefit option for those looking for maximum bang for the buck for the entire system.

[michaelv]

The Reference One has already been in my  2-channel circuit for 2 days. The audio circuit is and HT circuit are in the same phase, by the way.  All my power cords are DIYed with Oyaide C/P-079 and the cord is XLO reference 10A and Cryomax III.  This setup describes the sound in my previous note.  I'll give it  a few critical listening sessions again.

Note:  I have PS Audio UPC-200 connected to PE V/pro custom and all  of my componnents (only 2) plugged into UPC-200. I'm diying the power extension ( only 1 receptacle). It should be done soon and i'll try to see.


You mention about daisy chain. Do you mean that several PE V pro/custom linked together?

thanks.

[Huck]

Hi: I have 6 PE's (actually 7 counting the one in the back of my Furman power conditioner) installed in my audio room and I have just replaced all original 30 cent receptacles(6) with Hubbell hospital grade 8200 duplexes. All are bottom wired with one PE plugged in the bottom of each new receptacle. All these duplexes (6) are controlled by a single 15 amp breaker( right side of breaker box). Not sure if I have too many PE's on the same circuit, as I don't really hear too much of a difference, actually no difference, with these installed. Could be my system is not resolving enough, I dunno! This is why I ask about too many PE on the same circuit. What is the most number of PE's that one should have on a single circuit?. Maybe I should split a few up and install them on different non-audio circuits, or maybe on a different phase( left side of breaker box). These PE's have been plugged into the new duplexes for 8 days. How long do the PE's need in order to stabilize? Help please! Thanks, Huck

[Paul_Bui]

My observation is that PE's and PE II's prefer to work in pair(s), and tuning non-audio circuits has positive effects on audio circuit.  That said, I would spread 6 PE's or even all 7 PE's on non-audio circuits, combining them with a Hammond 193M or 193L, and leave the audio circuit alone for now.  For example:

PE > 193L > PE

PE > 193M > PE

PE > PE > PE.

Just my two cents.

BTW, those HBL8200 look and feel great, don't they?  I installed half a dozen but ended up using mostly HBL5262's, which are brass and as beefy at a lower cost.  These Hubbell duplexes (and one simplex) are the most population in my house, and soon an Oyaide SWO-GX (along with Shaki online pair) will arrive to replace a FIM duplex at the audio duplex where a PE V Pro Custom plugs in.

[Huck]

Thanks for the tips, but I don't want to spend anymore money on any extras right now... already in too deep! I just want to use my 7 PE's and no more! Thanks, Huck

[Paul_Bui]

Hi Huck,

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you should spend more.  Leave out the Hammond chokes, just try the patterns on non-audio circuits and see how you like it:

OL1 > OL2 > OL3 > OL4 > OL5
PE   > OL2 > PE   > OL4 > PE 

PE > ... > PE

OL1 > PE > OL3 > PE > OL5.

The results may surprise you.

[vett93]

Hi Paul,

I see that you have good success with Alan's products. This is great.

How many non-A/V circuits do you have to treat? Can you tell me how you use Alan's products in your current setup?

Did you buy those Hubbell duplex outlets locally? I am in San Jose area too.

Thanks!

[Paul_Bui]

Hello from Milpitas,

I treat non a/v circuits with PE's and audio circuit with PE V.  Those Hubbell duplexes unfortunately I had to buy online and pay shipping fees.  I wish there would be a local store who carries them.

[MAC - SteveH]

For those interested -

I have a case of Hubbell HBL5262 (brown) enroute to me. They are bulk packed. (I believe no individual boxes)

Contact me if you want to be on the list.

myaudiocables@mac.com

[Huck]

Hi Huck,

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you should spend more.  Leave out the Hammond chokes, just try the patterns on non-audio circuits and see how you like it:

OL1 > OL2 > OL3 > OL4 > OL5
PE   > OL2 > PE   > OL4 > PE 

PE > ... > PE

OL1 > PE > OL3 > PE > OL5.

The results may surprise you.

Hi: Not sure I understand your diagram, so could you explain? If I have to move to a non/audio circuit(s), I will have to buy extra Hubbels, as the existing 10 cent duplexes there do not allow for bottom wiring! So I don't feel like pulling out the 6 Hubbells I just installed,to move them, so will these PE's work even if the cheap duplexes are wired top or bottom? Also what are the OL's in your diagram? Thanks a lot! Huck

[Paul_Bui]

Huck,

On the same circuit, OL1 = outlet #1, OL2 = oulet #2, so on and so forth.  In order to try your 7 PE's on non-audio circuits, I would not pull those Hubbell duplexes that are already in place, but I would re-orient the wiring on those non-audio circuits to the bottom screws to take full advantages of PE filtering.  Count how many outlets there are in each circuit.  Pending number of PE's on hand, you will not have to treat each circuit.  Find the brighter sounding outlet(s), referring to Alan's guidelines, and start PE treating from there.

For instance, if you need to treat a circuit with 7 outlets:  OL1 > OL 2 > ... > OL7, this is how I would place the PE's: 
PE > OL2 > OL3 > PE > OL5 > OL6 > PE.  You'd have 4 more PE's for other circuits.

Like Alan's said, experimentation is key for PE tuning.  PE initial effects can be heard after 20 minutes and 5-7 days for full effects.  Change them around until you find the sound most liked.  After you're fully satisfied with the sound, you can decide whether to pull the existing Hubbells and put them at the outlets where you install the PE's in order to further enhance the PE effects.

[JenMaher]

Keith-
Bottom wiring does not matter for non-audio circuits.  Install the PE's as Paul recommended and then try some of your own combinations.

[Huck]

Keith-
Bottom wiring does not matter for non-audio circuits.  Install the PE's as Paul recommended and then try some of your own combinations.

  Thanks! So I should have no PE's installed on my audio circuit, or leave one in the Furman and one PE sharing the duplex with the Furman when installing PE's on my non-audio circuits?.

[Huck]

Another dumb question!! How do you find which is number one and which is the last  duplex on a given circuit, so that proper placement of PE's is achieved! Thanks, Huck

[zmanbands]

OL-1 is the closest outlet to the breaker ie 1st encountered, for that circuit as you follow the wiring from the breaker.

[JenMaher]

zmanbands-
Do you have a Reference cord update  aa

[Huck]

OL-1 is the closest outlet to the breaker ie 1st encountered, for that circuit as you follow the wiring from the breaker.

Thanks! I guess that would work if you had no drywall up and you could follow the wire to the first outlet, but let's say the breaker box is in the basement and I want to find the first in line upstairs....would that be the closest one to the box?.Huck