Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!

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Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« on: 20 Jun 2007, 09:17 am »
Hello Audio Circle,

  It is time to post the reviews or listening experience with the Shuguang Audio 502B Amplifier. So everyone that was involved in the road show. Please feel free to post whatever your thoughts were or are!!!

  In addition. I would like to start the auction off with a no reserve opening bid of $1.00 and at the end of a week. High bid gets the amplifier. Fair enough!! Just remember the proceeds go to a charity here in mainland China. Do I hear $2.00 anyone????


  As always, all the best. From China.


Ralph

Dan Driscoll

Re: Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« Reply #1 on: 21 Jun 2007, 01:26 am »
Test system: Vandersteen Model 2C speakers; Sherbourn 5/1500A 200 wpc SS amp; Audio Refinement Pre-5; Carver SD/A-360 CDC; Newcastle SD-860 universal player. Music: Elton John MATW & GBYBR (SACD); Fleetwood Mac Rumors (DVD-A); Alan Parsons Project I, Robot (HDAD); Sam McClain Soul Survivor (XRCD); Supertramp BIA & COTC (CD); Fuel Something Like Human (CD); Foo Fighters One By One (CD).

OK, let me start with the good: the fit and finish of the Shuguang Audio 502B Integrated Amplifier is good and it is very heavy. It has 4 sets of good quality gold plated RCA stereo inputs and 5-way binding post speaker connections with taps for both 4 and 8 ohms. The connections are placed far enough apart that I didn't have any trouble inserting my Outlaw Audio PCA ICs with locking barrels. The power and input selector buttons had a good solid feel and the unit uses mechanical relays, rather than IC switches. There's a built-in delay (2 min, IIRC) for the tube heaters to warm up. It would be nice if there were pre-in and pre-out connections, but no doubt that would add considerably to the price. It's a good looking amp and there aren't many things prettier than the glow of tubes in a darkened room. :)

Because of some issues, I think I had it the longest, over a month and I put over 100 hours on it. I know that sounds like a lot to some people, but I left if running all day a number of times to burn in the power tubes. When I received the amp it had a bad 12AT7 preamp tube and the bias levels were seriously out of whack, almost 100 mV (the recommended setting is 30 mV). The manual was useless, it has serious translation problems, which I communicated to Ralph. In fact I was communicating with Ralph a lot, trying to sort things out and get the amp running properly.

As soon as Ralph heard about the problems he supplied me with an almost complete set of replacement tubes, which I installed at various points during the evaluation. Unfortunately, the test points for the bias adjustment were poorly designed and badly placed, making the adjustment process much more difficult than necessary. A serious issue is that the adjustment pots and test points are located immediately adjacent to the power tubes, which are very hot. Getting burned is a distinct possibility, if you're not careful.

Sadly, I could not get the amp to sound good, which was a huge disappointment. The frequency response seemed restrained, almost truncated. I didn't have a spectrum analyzer, but I wouldn't be surprised if the high end rolled off at 10KHz and the low end at around 100Hz. The mid-range was there, but sounded exceptionally forward, probably because of the poor low and high frequency response. What 'low' frequencies there were sounded sloppy and distorted. At the 'high end' of the frequency response the amp sounded thin and shrill. Because of the frequency response issues, I could not make an evaluation of the dynamic range.. But without low bass the amp lacked anything like 'punch'.

To try to improve the sound quality I swapped in a number of the replacement tubes Ralph had provided, tweaked the bias levels, tried both the 8 ohm and 4 ohm speaker taps and swapped the polarity. The best I could get it to sound like was an FM car radio and that was connected tot he 4 ohm taps, with the polarity swapped. (Vandersteen 2Cs are 7 ohms.) The poor performance of the 502B became even more incredibly obvious as soon as I put my Sherbourn amp and AR preamp back into the system. The improvement in sound quality was immediate and unmistakable, even my tone deaf wife noticed the change as soon as she walked through the door, and without knowing I had switched back. Overall, I was seriously disappointed with the 502B.

FTR, Ralph was responsive to the problems I had with the amp and got the replacement tubes to me quickly. Also, he was aware of my dissatisfaction with the amplifier, but did not ask not to post it or soften my comments.

Dan Driscoll

Re: Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« Reply #2 on: 27 Jun 2007, 09:39 pm »
Come on folks, I know at least 4 other people demo'd the amp and I'd like to hear your impressions. That's part of the demo tour deal, you're supposed to post what you thought. My experience may not have been very good. but it is possible that my speakers and sources were simply a poor match for the amp. Someone else may have loved it.

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Re: Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« Reply #3 on: 28 Jun 2007, 06:18 am »
Hmmm......
Maybe you should of all posted your reviews as the tour went along.....instead of at the end...... :roll:

china

Re: Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« Reply #4 on: 28 Jun 2007, 09:26 am »
Hello AudioCircle,


    Lonewolfny,

    I see that you still have the same idea as before. No!!! I don't think so. Even though Shuguang got a kind review from Dan. It was his experience and was truthfull. That is all that I ask and would never ask anyone to change any content. I have jumped up an down at the Shuguang Factory though. They went ahead and made model changes and improvements to the product line. Now down to two models the S6 and the S8. S6 with a EL 34 tube array and eighteen watts per channel and the S8 with fifty watts per channel and the KT 88 tube array. They are a much better sounding amplifier. Period.

    If anyone wishes to post the evaluations or comments. Please feel free to do so, if you want too!!  It is still a free world in the United States. At least from the last I heard. Smile!!! 

     Privately, the Shuguangs mate well with the Gallo Loudspeakers. From what I understand. Just not worth a hoot with the Vandies!!!

     I guess I bought my own road tour amplifier back. The last person that has the amplifier. Please get in touch with me and I will attempt to have a shipper pick it up and send it back to China.

     Thanks for everyones attention and all the best.


Sincerely,



Ralph Lomax

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Re: Shuguang Audio 502B Evaluation and Auction!!
« Reply #5 on: 28 Jun 2007, 12:51 pm »
So I had this puppy for a few weeks and I had a very similar experience to Dan.  I did not have any tube issues but I found that the music seemed to be very dull sounding.  I was using this amp with Zu Druids with Zu Wax speaker cables.  I had not had my speakers very long at the time but I actually started feeling slightly depressed with my system.  When I switched back to my little Trends jobby I was pretty much instantly happier.  The highs were back as was the detail.  Dull is the only thing that really comes to mind.  No sparkle.  I must say that I have very little experience with tubes and maybe they are not my cup of tea.  Maybe this is what a KT88 amp sounds like and I just don't like it.  It was generally a bizarre time.  I was so used to sitting down and just be swept away by my modest system that when that was gone I felt it.  Again maybe this amp just does not mesh well with the Zus.
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