looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.

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RawB8figure

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #20 on: 11 Jun 2007, 04:52 pm »
can you post a link of the TVC product.

what type of wattage should I be looking at for an amp for 95 db speakers. I want some volume control.

dado5

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #21 on: 11 Jun 2007, 05:24 pm »


......what type of wattage should I be looking at for an amp for 95 db speakers. I want some volume control.
What needs to be known is how loud you like your music.  The Hawthornes can take a mountain of power so the upper limit is not a concern really.

Assuming the speaker is measured in an anechoic type setting, you can likely expect 96 or 97 dB with one watt sitting 6' or so from the speakers (95 minus 3 for distance plus 3 for stereo pair plus 1 or 2 for room gain).  This means 10 watts will get you close to 107dB.  This is extremely loud for personal listening and few folks will tolerate this level even on classical music peaks. 

Wanting volume control is almost pie in the sky wishing nowadays. Most amps at any power are too sensitive for modern sources and the vintage ones are the worst. The more sensitive the speaker, the worse this problem becomes. If at all possible stay away from anything with an input sensitivity of under 1 volt, but good luck finding something commercial.   

nodiak

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #22 on: 12 Jun 2007, 01:16 am »
RawB8figure, hopes this is of some help. I have the Hawthornes and use them with a 20 watt Scott 222c, and a 50 watt gainclone that has a volume control. The 20 watt Scott has near perfect amount of power (for me in my 300 ft2 room) as it allows good use of volume control. 9-11:00 for background, 12:00 mark is full and room filling but not overbearing, 1-3:00 is cranking, (no chance of hearing phone or door knocks, YES!). FWIW I'm not shy with the volume as I like to bathe in dynamic music. It's a tube rollers dream/nightmare with 11 tubes, easily could spend far more than the amp on tubes  :o. Wonderful midrange, but not quite as good on bass and treble, of course imo. If i was wealthier I'd keep it forever but will sell it in a month or two and try something else (a bit risky behavior as my budget is also ~ $500 and down). 
The 50 watt gc is huge power for these speakers, and some folks use much more. Can only use up to 9-10:00 on volume control before it is in loud range, so it's a pain to dial in varying listening levels. This is a backup amp and if it was a main amp I would build or have built a preamp with low gain. Last year I used it with a Decware zsla-1 (0 gain) and a Minimax pre and both were good mates (adjusted gc volume control to suit the pre being used).
So imo 10-30 watts for an integrated for the Hawthornes is a good range. If seperate pre and amp a much wider range. Some people are using a Spud amp listed on the Hawthorne site (maybe you've seen it) that is 2-3 watts.
Don
 

Hogg

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #23 on: 12 Jun 2007, 01:29 am »
Consider the Vista Audio as listed in the Manufacturers trading circle.  I heard it drive a pair of Klipsch Corwalls in March.  A very good amp.

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RawB8figure

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #24 on: 12 Jun 2007, 05:06 pm »
Well I'am thinking of using a vincent preamp and a trends TA10 as the amp.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=VISA31


RawB8figure

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Re: looking for quality low power intagrated for high db speakers.
« Reply #25 on: 12 Jun 2007, 05:58 pm »
anyone know heard of vincent audio products. Are they any good