Interesting HTPC

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Interesting HTPC
« on: 6 Jun 2007, 03:06 am »

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Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #1 on: 6 Jun 2007, 05:45 am »
The one in the 2nd link looks cool, but $2K? 
More than I can spend on a HTPC.

I am thinking about starting to build a HTPC with this case
http://www.antec.com/uk/support_productInfo_details.php?ProdID=00240

Doesn't look as nice, but it will be WAY cheaper for me to build it with this case.

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Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #2 on: 6 Jun 2007, 05:51 am »
The first one was ugly.  The second one I agree looks nice, but is a bit pricey.  Why'd they feel the need to add amps?  I don't want their (likely) garbage amps, and I wonder how much that added to the cost...

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Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #3 on: 6 Jun 2007, 08:31 pm »
Yeah no question the cost for these is way too much, and the integrated amps are not the way to go. Also not sure I want an alien head on my HTPC :)  The cablecards are why you may have to end up buying something versus building one from scratch.

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Jun 2007, 09:13 pm »
I'm surprised these things aren't becoming more mainstream and common. IMO HTPC's are the way to go. Five years ago I would have said they're the future but not anymore. They can do so much more than a standard receiver as long as you add amplification. I guess it's just not simple enough yet.

randytsuch

Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #5 on: 6 Jun 2007, 10:44 pm »
I'm surprised these things aren't becoming more mainstream and common. IMO HTPC's are the way to go. Five years ago I would have said they're the future but not anymore. They can do so much more than a standard receiver as long as you add amplification. I guess it's just not simple enough yet.

Is that true?  Can you really do all the things on a HTPC?
I am asking because I am about to buy a Denon receiver, but I am also planning on building an HTPC.  The HTPC is intended for high def recording, as well as possibly either blu-ray or HD-DVD playback (and maybe a blu-ray recorder if I decide to spring for a lite-on blu-ray drive).

So, I am wondering if an HTPC can handle all the HDMI options a new receiver can.  My new receiver will be able to do HDMI uncompressed pcm audio at 7.1.  And, it can upsample from svideo or component to HDMI.

Randy

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Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #6 on: 7 Jun 2007, 01:27 am »
Is that true?  Can you really do all the things on a HTPC?
I am asking because I am about to buy a Denon receiver, but I am also planning on building an HTPC.  The HTPC is intended for high def recording, as well as possibly either blu-ray or HD-DVD playback (and maybe a blu-ray recorder if I decide to spring for a lite-on blu-ray drive).

So, I am wondering if an HTPC can handle all the HDMI options a new receiver can.  My new receiver will be able to do HDMI uncompressed pcm audio at 7.1.  And, it can upsample from svideo or component to HDMI.

Randy


Actually, I use component out to my projector (upsampling all video output to my projectors native 720p resoltion) and DVI to my monitor so I can't answer this. I haven't had a need for HDMI so I haven't investigated this possibility yet. A HTPC can certainly output high quality 7.1 Dolby Digital and 2-channel audio as well as replace your DVD player and TIVO, and I know the Microsoft X-box HD-DVD player can be incorporated into a HTPC but I haven't tried it and I don't think Blue ray is possible yet. The bonus of media storage, internet, and gaming/photo viewing and other various PC abilities make the HTPC very compelling. I'm sorry I can't answer the HDMI functionality question. Maybe others can.

randytsuch

Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #7 on: 7 Jun 2007, 04:51 am »
Hi
It would be cool if a PC could do all the HDMI processing that a better receiver does, but if it can, I have not seen it.  For my requirements, I think I still need both, but I would love to be wrong here, and have someone show me some PC cards that can handle HDMI video and audio.

I have seen posts about the xbox HD drive, I am considering that. 

As for blu ray, you can pick up a writer for about $500
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=175509&prodlist=froogle

Here is a list of drives
http://www.blu-ray.com/drives/

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Re: Interesting HTPC
« Reply #8 on: 7 Jun 2007, 03:59 pm »
This is a critical time in the evolution of HTPCs.

What can an HTPC do? Lots of things, and in the immediate future, almost whatever you want if you are willing to spend the money.

The current/old way to do things, as I understand it, is to pick some functions for your Home Theater, and have your PC take care of them in a nice PC-like way. Because a single HTPC cannot do every function you would want.
For example, it could not replace your set top box from the cable company. The set top box provides digital cable (perhaps hi def digital cable), and pay per view, and you get to pay a rental fee, plus you get an extra remote and extra cables. Same thing for Tivo, etc. which sometimes is the set top box in another form provided by the cable company. And of course now set top boxes can include recording capability, making them more HTPC-like.

If you limit yourself to anaolg cable, you can do "almost everything" with the HTPC, without a set top box. But no digital or HDTV. Also most TVs out there, and PC tuning cards, are analog cable ready, so the tuning function of the analog set top box is no longer required by most.

For an HTPC to at least partially replace a set top box, you need some extra goodies, namely something called a cablecard. These cable cards evolved with little public awareness, in response to the mandate from Congreess in 1996 to allow for competition in the set top box market. There was some excitement at the time in what set top boxes would become in the home...but these cards initally were only single stream and one-way so that devices that used them could not allow for pay per view or other interactive services, and you could only record one channel and watch that one channel.

Today with cablecard 2.0 you can have 2 channels and some 2-way capabilities. But the cable company has to certify/link your device to the network (in person). And to make things nearly impossible, they have been unavailable for the PC until recently. You could theoreticall get a cablecard-ready TV, get a cablecard from the cable company, and have them come out and install it, to bypass a set top box. Needless to say, set top boxes have up to this time been the necessary evil.

Now you can have an HTPC with a cable card or two. You can have this HTPC, but you cannot build it yourself, because of licensing. You must get an OEM HTPC with the cablecard as part of the deal.


In a nutshell cablecards ensure end-to-end encryption for the HDTV industry. But at least with them you can use Vista or OSX on a PC to run your own HT more completely than before. In addition Downloadable Conditional Access System (DCAS) is theoretically coming soon which is a software alternative to cablecards.

Not sure how DCAS will be implemented on HTPCs though...

These 2 HTPCS allow you to play HD-DVD as well as Blu-Ray

http://pcjoint.com/okoro-bx100-and-bx300-htpcs-read-hd-and-blue-ray-discs-from-a-single-drive/