Dynaco A-25XL

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rustneversleeps

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Dynaco A-25XL
« on: 24 May 2007, 02:46 pm »
After I read all the raving reviews, I went out and bought a pair.

They don't sound all that good, highs not very extended. I cycle the 3 position switch about 40 times, and it sound a tiny bit better, if it was that.

What else I have to do, what are crossover cap value, maybe they need to be changed.

Thanks

konut

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Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #1 on: 24 May 2007, 05:07 pm »
Are you sure the original tweeters are in there? See  http://home.indy.net/~gregdunn/dynaco/components/speakers/index.html  for  some useful info.

parker16

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Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #2 on: 24 May 2007, 06:30 pm »
I have two pair of A-25's. One pair was recapped when I got them. The other pair arrived like yours with limited highs. I replaced the caps and the problem was solved. Your Dynas are the XL version that have a tweeter with more range than my earlier versions, so you should have plenty of high frequency response. Capacitor values vary slightly with the various A-25 versions, but are usually around 5 uf. Just remove the woofer and check the value on the stock caps and order same value. Be sure to unscrew the dyna logo badge before removing the grill or you will have trouble getting the grill off (XL version may not have screw in logo). There may be a black tar-like substance sealing the woofer--hair dryer will soften it.

I drive one pair with AVA electronics, and the other pair with restored vintage tube gear--A-25's are speakers you can listen to all day without fatigue.

Wayner

Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #3 on: 24 May 2007, 09:39 pm »
This is what an A25XL should look like.



If the tweeter looks like something else, you have a problem. The tweeter and its extremely low cross-over point is what gives this Dynaco speaker its ability to produce life-like sound with an amazing sound stage.

Wayner

Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #4 on: 24 May 2007, 09:53 pm »
Now for the nitty-gritty.

First as Parker16 has stated, the capacitors are 35+ years old and should be replaced. They actually are 8 uf, not 5 uf. You are going to have to take the speakers apart, unfortunately as these models tend to have a couple of problems that need to be fixed. I have repaired 4 pairs of these so I perhaps am not the absolute expert, but I am experienced with the subject.

Problem number one involves the woofer and in particular, the terminals. Almost half of the woofers I have seen have had one or both terminals fall apart. The flex wire going to the voice coil might be dangling with some rivet collars and insulators. If they do, let me know. I have developed a kit for fixing these and I could sure help you out with this. Some soldering skill will be required as well as steady hands and some patients.

Problem two is the capacitor. If the driver is an H086, by Seas, then it is the correct tweeter. That tweeter has an 8 uf, 50 volt capacitor with a coil in its circuit. Replace the cap with the same value, but increase the voltage to around 250 to 400 volts. check the small coil connections as well.

The third thing to do is clean the 3-way resistor ladder selector with Caig de-oxit 5.

I also have had the glue on one tweeter fail. The components on the back of the tweeter flange will look off-center. What holds the assembly together if the glue fails is the magnet! Hopefully that is not the case for yours.

Sounds like a pain in the ass, right? It will be worth it. By the way, these are true "bookshelf" speakers and need to be about 1 foot or less away from the wall, about 8 to 10 feet apart. If you have a Van Alstine amp, that would be a nice match.

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rustneversleeps

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Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #5 on: 25 May 2007, 01:07 am »
Mine are original, look just like Wayner's.

Other than a few small pieces of veneer have chipped off, and 1 lightly crush corner on each, they are in excellent condition for their age.

I didn't know about the internal fragility of these speakers, I have experience fixing old KLH and Advent. I will be redoing the crossover of a pair of Bozak and some KLH 17, so I thought I'd order the parts for the Dynaco  A-25XL at the same time.

I am a sucker for vintage high quality audio, and do have a AVA 550HC amp, and super 4i preamp (other newer used AVA are going so damn fast, I miss them all the time).

Thank for the info, if there are anymore tips on fixing them, I'd like to hear them. Again, thank you all.

rustneversleeps

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Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #6 on: 25 May 2007, 01:17 am »
Oh Wayner, if I remember correctly, I thought you'd mentioned that you had an Empire 598, I too, have one.

What kind of cartridge are you using on yours? I used an supposely NOS Empire 3000S/III, it sounds OK, good presentation, but not as extended as the newer cartridge. I have no plan to spend hundreds of dollars on new cartridge, just want to get some ideas on the more economical option for this turntable, I am cheap, you know.

dB Cooper

Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #7 on: 25 May 2007, 04:45 am »
One other thing the old Dynas had going for them: Few speakers (if any) have ever presented an easier load to an amp. The unusually flat impedance curve especially benefits tube gear.

Wayner

Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #8 on: 25 May 2007, 11:38 am »
Rusty,

I'm running the Audio Technica AT440MLa, thank you.



Wayner

rustneversleeps

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Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #9 on: 30 May 2007, 06:42 am »
wayner,

How many 8uf caps are in the A-25xl? Some said they sould be a 5uf, who should I believe? I am too lazy to take it apart now, just want to order the parts first.

Wayner

Re: Dynaco A-25XL
« Reply #10 on: 30 May 2007, 11:37 am »
There is only one 8 mfd cap and a coil in the A25XL. The A25 uses a 5 mfd.

Wayner