Something really cool to share...

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Danny Richie

Something really cool to share...
« on: 18 May 2007, 03:19 am »
Each year Scott Clark, physics teacher at a small Texas high school, gives his students a really interesting and fun project. This is the third straight year for this project.

The project is letting the students design and build a pair of speakers.

Students are placed into small groups to work on these projects. I think as many as seven pairs have been made per class, and this year there were five pairs.

Typically inexpensive drivers have been used, some bought and some donated. Paper cone woofers have been preferred as they are easier to work with and work well with low order networks. If you have drivers that you can donate this is a really good cause.

Several times during the year Scott has brought students here to GR Research for a day of acoustics 101. I teach them how caps, inductors, and resistors all effect the response of woofers and tweeters and let them watch as measurements are taken with different types of networks and what effect they have on the response.

Afterward they get to listen to various forms of music on my reference system and sometimes several different speakers. It is really fun to watch these young high school students get their first exposure to high end audio and to listen to them talk about all the things they heard in the music playback that they didn't know was there or had never heard before.

Each year when the kids have completed their projects (near the end of the school year), Gary Dodd and I drive down and spend the day there. I measure and test their speakers. Then we set up a modest system and Gary and I listen to each pair of speakers, write about them and score them.

This year the listening system consisted of a EL-34 tube amp kit that Gary designed for the kids to build as a special project. A couple of the kids and the teacher (Scott Clark) built one of the tube amp kits. For a pre-amp we used one of Gary's, now famous, batter powered tube pre-amps. This one belonged to Scott Clark and is finished in high gloss Mesquite wood. It looks really good. For a source we used a Rega Planet CD player. All was connected with Electra Cable interconnects. Some OFC speaker cables were used and some cheapy power cords.

This year the kids got a little more daring with these. A couple of guys did a three way design that was very ambitious. Several of the girls had designs with higher order networks that even used some notch filters. One design even had a third order network on the tweeter and woofer. One pair even used two woofers below a tweeter.

The listing room is a stage in the cafeteria. With the curtain drawn across the front and with curtains on the sides and rear it actually makes for a very good listening area. It is a large open area with no real wall reflections. Surprisingly we get really good bass response as well.

All five pairs sounded very good. I mean VERY good. Hats off to these kids.

Gary and I had recently been to the Lone Star Audio Fest. Exhibits consisted of several long time industry professionals, and serious hobbyist. Personally I liked the inexpensive arrays designed by Fred Thompson better than anything else that was there, and they were playing these on pretty modest components. Anyway Gary and I both felt that as a whole all of the speakers built by these kids and played on this system, sounded easily better than, to at least as good, as anything shown at the Lone Star Audio Fest. These kids speakers were really that good.

Another thing to note is that these kids have no measuring system at all. All crossovers were designed by factory provided specs and response curves. Some design software was also used to calculate needed values.

Below are the measured response curves of their speakers.







I think the kids did really well and earned a well deserved congratulations from Gary and I. I think we all (all of us audiophiles) need to send a big thank you to Scott Clark for giving his students a great project like this, not only letting them learn about speaker design but allowing them to get excited about and have an appreciation for high quality music reproduction.

BTW, the three test songs used for today were tracks from Jennifer Warnes, Lyle Lovett, and Veana Teng.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #1 on: 18 May 2007, 03:42 am »
It was a very good day.  The kids were excited and it immediately translates into increased interest.  The counselor told me that she signed two more kids up for physics today- word of mouth travels fast.

Scott

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #2 on: 18 May 2007, 04:21 am »
Way to go Danny and Gary.
Nothing like getting the kids involved into the hobby  :thumb:


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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #3 on: 18 May 2007, 04:28 am »
Hell, I'm almost 40, and I'd sign up for your class...

I _wish_ I understood more of what's going on under the hood of my components.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #4 on: 18 May 2007, 10:04 am »
Good sounding speakers, even expensive ones do not  have a flat frequency resp. curve. It would be interesting to see the phase resp.

note that one pair has the BBC dip!


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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #5 on: 18 May 2007, 10:10 am »
What does it say when kids (with help) can develop speakers with simple crossovers and paper drivers that sound better than long time professionals and serious hobbists???

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #6 on: 18 May 2007, 10:41 am »
I wish I had a class like that when I was in high school. These are some lucky kids.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #7 on: 18 May 2007, 10:56 am »
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What does it say when kids (with help) can develop speakers with simple crossovers and paper drivers that sound better than long time professionals and serious hobbists???

I realise it was meant to be a retorical question - but it probably reflects

a) an open mind - if only we could all approach our equipment choices this way.

b) sound guidance - congratulations to all concerned.

I was going to ask what the BBC dip is - but I googled it and found some more reading :o

Jim

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #8 on: 18 May 2007, 10:58 am »
Very cool indeed.  I'd take the class or volunteer to help if one was around here.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #9 on: 18 May 2007, 03:01 pm »
Hell, I'm almost 40, and I'd sign up for your class...

I _wish_ I understood more of what's going on under the hood of my components.

Hahaha, that's exactly how I felt and I'm over 40!   :icon_lol:

Way to go Danny, it's proof that when you take the time to work with kids they can produce great stuff and I'm sure they appreciate that kind of activity even more then spending their time in from of tv or video games...

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« Reply #10 on: 18 May 2007, 03:14 pm »
Hell, I'm near 50, am an EE, and have designed speakers, enclosures, crossovers and audio components, and *I* would have loved to take this class.  There's always room to learn more, and even better if it is from a master.

What a great idea -- congrats to all involved.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #11 on: 18 May 2007, 03:20 pm »
Danny,

I have a ton of drivers sitting around.  I'd be happy to donate.

Let me know where to send them.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #12 on: 18 May 2007, 04:03 pm »
I wish I had a class like that when I was in high school. These are some lucky kids.

No kidding.  That's something worth putting on a resume.  These kids are very fortunate to have some of the best industry experts providing them with real insight.  Most of us would have been elated if it was only our high school teacher sharing his passion.   What Danny, Gary and Scott are doing is fabulous.  Who knows how this kind of inspiration could impact one of these kids and what that might lead to.  Bravo!

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #13 on: 18 May 2007, 04:59 pm »
This is very cool Danny and Gary!   :D

I would come and help make speaker measurements for this type of occassion.   Portable CLIOwin systems are very nice! :thumb: 

If you go to RMAF, last year they had a group of audiophiles that Ray Kimber helped to sponser give three day's worth of audio workshops.  These included speaker measurements, amp measurements and speaker listening sessions.   Highly recommend stopping by this if they give it again at this year's RMAF.  Lots of great demo's and talks with lots of interaction from the attendees.




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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #14 on: 21 May 2007, 01:52 pm »
Danny,

If there is something Stereomojo can do to help or promote this event I'd be all for it. Maybe we could do a shootout and choose a winner with a cash prize or contribution to a college fund. I can set one up. The Richie/Dodd/Darby College Scholarship Award or anything you come up with.  Bet we could get manufacturers and distributors to participate. Maybe even get other schools involved in the competition.

Danny Richie

Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #15 on: 21 May 2007, 04:28 pm »
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I have a ton of drivers sitting around.  I'd be happy to donate.

Paul, that is really cool of you. Scott Clark has been out of town and will be back shortly. I am sure he will be glad to post an address for you and any others to send drivers to.

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If there is something Stereomojo can do to help or promote this event I'd be all for it.

Some publicity about the event would go a long way towards helping the students get the drivers or crossover parts they need. They really would benefit from a Clio Lite measuring system. We are going to really work on that for next year. If there were something that could be done to get tools like that in their hands it would really help the learning process. There is nothing like changing a component then taking a measurement to see what it does.

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Maybe we could do a shootout and choose a winner...

In the end Gary and I listen to the designs and give them a rating on a 1 to 10 scale. The kids are pretty competitive with this as if it were a competition. You should see them get excited when their speakers get the highest score of the class.  :lol: It's great!

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Maybe even get other schools involved in the competition.

That would be good, and is very possible. This school does broadcast some of their classes to other schools with a live feed or something. An area wide or state competition made from this could be good too. It is a project that the kids really look forward to. It could get fairly big and very popular with some help.

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #16 on: 21 May 2007, 06:35 pm »
Danny, I have some Sonic Craft 6-1/2" bass/MR drivers...



...from your former partner I'd be willing to donate.  Would 4 be useful?

Danny Richie

Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #17 on: 21 May 2007, 06:42 pm »
That would be great!

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Re: Something really cool to share...
« Reply #18 on: 22 May 2007, 03:21 am »
Way to go, guys!  I'd like to contribute some $$ to the cause.

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« Reply #19 on: 22 May 2007, 03:47 am »
Danny,

Like the others, I too would love to take that class! hah!

Excellent post.. brought a smile to my face.  Thanks for volunteering your time and effort into the program.