James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?

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OK,  so I'm tired of hitting my head against the wall regarding active speakers.  One of main annoyances is most amplifier sections and their warranties.  Most true active speakers that I am aware of have kind of lame warranties - to me that means the manufacturer isn't too confident in the amp.  E.g.  Meridian,  Beolab,  Mackie,  Genelec;   PMC is 5 years, and  ATC is 6 years but ATC's is the best amp warranty I can find.  Even the old Paradigm Active 20's and 40's had only 3 years on the amps.   The only commercially available way I came across is to use Linkwitz Orion speakers with Bryston amp(s) to capitalize on the 20 year warranty. 

So enough is enough - come on James, how 'bout it?   All the cards are lined up:  Bryston already makes great crossovers and amps,  and from some previous posts, you've been know to dabble with bi-poles and/or dipoles.   We're so close!  Since my suggestion will hopefully be adopted by Bryston tommorow,  here are my suggestions:

- do not incorporate internal amps, leave the consumer the choice of amp.  For Bryston die-hards such as myself,  leave posts on the rear for easy PowerPac attachment  {I know,  I know, the crossover has to come before the amp,  but certainly they could be wired "in reverse" to allow for appropriate rear-panel inputs, no?}

-have auto-on sensing when a signal is present,  and with a "power on" indicator on the front.  Encourages laziness, I mean convenience

-speaker grilles please

- don't mess around with designing "custom drivers."      There are plenty of outstanding drivers already on the market.

- at least a few models to be available priced below $10K  us

- offer more color choices than slate and electric blue


Thanks for reading James,  let me know what month this year these will be coming out!
GR















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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #1 on: 2 May 2007, 11:28 am »
Hi GR,

I have certainly thought about it but the main issue as I see it is the complexity of Active speakers in both setup and design.  The other problem it is the very small number of people interested in Active systems.

Your idea of 'open' architecture (allowing customers to play with crossovers and amplifiers) vs the 'closed' architecture (knowing the final performance parameters) has some major issues. I have heard many 'home-grown' systems and believe me they need serious help.

james
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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #2 on: 2 May 2007, 04:51 pm »
It would be nice if PMC would  (or do they already?) make their models without passive crossovers AND provide enough information so that an active crossover could be employed. I'd like to go the active route, but I'd also like to keep my 7B SSTs.

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I think NHT is on the right track for the future with digital crossovers, speaker correction and hopefully room correction. Though I'd like to see the DSP stuff separated from the amps so I could continue to use my Bryston amps.

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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #3 on: 2 May 2007, 07:07 pm »
Sounds like Bryston needs to think the idea over for just a few more days before adoption of the master scheme  :cry:

I agree with your assessment of open systems:

"Your idea of 'open' architecture (allowing customers to play with crossovers and amplifiers) vs the 'closed' architecture (knowing the final performance parameters) has some major issues. I have heard many 'home-grown' systems and believe me they need serious help."


I should have been more specific about that.   Crossovers will be internal & fixed but with some control knobs for tweaking, and of course carring standard 20 year warranty.   Speakers would be designed using Bryston amps,  openly intended to have end-users pair them with Brystons,  and offered with the option of purchasing slightly discounted PowerPacs if bought at the same time as the speakers.   Consumers wishing to use other amps would be "on their own"  regarding sonics and warned as such.   (similar to Linkwitz designing and selling a specific amp with Orions,  with warnings & explanation to consumers who choose otherwise). 

One last thing:  you mentioned limited domestic consumer interest in active speakers - again I agree.   But what about the pro market?  I'd be willing to bet that if Bryston started offering actives to pros,   adoption would not be a problem.  Pros seems to be pretty value oriented,  and  bomb-proof,   no-nonsense actives with a 20 year warranty on the electronics would seem to carry a lot of weight.   CREATE the market,  don't wait for it to happen (gee am I sounding desperate yet?)
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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #4 on: 2 May 2007, 11:55 pm »
Hi GR,

I like the idea of Bryston (PMC) active system - maybe I will talk to PMC about that one. I have had both the MB2 Active and the BB5 Active in my room and they are truly amazing systems.

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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #5 on: 3 May 2007, 12:05 am »
You could always go the route of Bryston powered active speakers coupled with a DEQ/X or similar unit for the actual crossover duty.  Offer a bundle deal with the appropriate Bryston determined crossover curves pre-installed on the crossover, which still allows the user to load room correction curves or other personal adjustments on top of the crossover curves - open and closed architecture at the same time.

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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #6 on: 3 May 2007, 05:11 am »
Hi GR,

I like the idea of Bryston (PMC) active system - maybe I will talk to PMC about that one. I have had both the MB2 Active and the BB5 Active in my room and they are truly amazing systems.

james



YES JAMES....PLEASE DO (now actively begging, no pun intended) - don't let this turn into a random post-it note on someone's desk!   If Bryston is not able to produce actives,   what you are saying would be a most welcome second choice.     My reluctance to buy a speaker like PMC's AML-1 is that the amps are not made by Bryston,  with a difference in warranty of 15 years if they had been.   How sweet would it be for a speaker like the AML-1's to have the electronics come with the standard Bryston 20 year warranty?  And for convenience sake,   have the amps (maybe even the crossovers) mounted on the exterior (e.g. PowerPacs).  Problem with the amp?  Unscrew it from the rear panel and send it to Bryston instead of having to send in the whole speaker to PMC.  This would be one example that offers the best of PMC and Bryston, plus the famous warranty,  increased user serviceability,  and at a price point much more attainable than the PMC/Bryston  $85K setups.   


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Re: James: how about Bryston start making active speakers?
« Reply #7 on: 3 May 2007, 09:36 pm »
Hi grssimmon,

If you check out the PMC Ltd website, re AML1 it states that the amps for this speaker are licensed from Bryston.  I know this means that PMC probably makes them, but licensing the amps means built to set specifications dictated by Bryston.  Since PMC and Bryston are closely associated then I suspect this is as good as being manf. by Bryston.  Yes they could do the decent thing and give a 20yr warranty, but that's up to PMC. 
In any case when was the last time anyone reported an AML1's amp going legs up (Ooops now I've done it!!).

I do agree with mounting the amps/crossovers like Powerpacs, but that would probably bump the price up.

I'm sure James could enlighten us on who builds the amps!!!!

My Lexicon NT 212 amps are 3BST's but only came with a 5 yr warranty and were certified in 'July 97' but this didn't stop me buying them second hand last year.  The fact that the dealer who I bought them from gave me a 5 yr warranty of his own helped, but I would have bought them without this anyway.

I believe you can trust Bryston/PMC products to give good reliable service for a good many years.

Regards,

Barry.B