[underdog64]

This new grounding tweak from Japan sounds interesting:http://www.wolffaudio.com/Acoustic/GroundGenerator.html

[Steve Eddy]

As I said on another forum...

Inside the RGC-24 there is blend of natural ore, which has minus electrical current potential. Electrical current potential and electric field from the equipment travels through the attached cable and to inside of the RGC-24.

*sigh*

se

[Russell Dawkins]

A quick visit to the website pretty well pinned my bs-o-meter, but maybe that's just me.

I'd feel more comfortable if a cable seller simply claimed better sound without getting creative in the "technical" explanations.

Is it only in the pricing where Michael gets irrational? Prices on all his cables go up in $50 increments per foot until 8 feet, and then if you want more than 8 feet, you pay $100 per foot.

I think someone once referred to the hissing snake pit off cable boulevard.

[Singapura]

It's probably blessed earth from the ancient groves of the druids in Bahn Carnogh. They were known for the beautiful lute music they played to the maidens who visited them from all over the land. Use this earth to bless your equipment and the maidens will come break down your door. 

[hotbird]

May be bs to most, but listening is believing. I used 2 of them in my system to ground my dac and preamp and it works better than most other tweaks.
Acoustic Revive is very famous in Japan for being an audio company that only specialize in accessories that consistently win annual awards at the local audio awards.
The Japanese are serious at tweaking and certainly have better gadgets than any in the west
In fact I have tried many Acoustic Revive products over a period of 6 months and my views on them are expressed
at http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=tell&action=display&num=1164867253&start=3

 

[Steve Eddy]

May be bs to most, but listening is believing.

But oddly enough, the belief that "listening is believing," combined with the nature of human perception, is precisely what allows all manner of BS to find a market. Because of this, there is literally nothing too absurd, nor anything which does not "work" for some number of people. Up to and including putting photographs of themselves in their freezers causing their audio systems to sound better.

So what is really being said when one says "listening is believing"? If listening is believing, may we also say that seeing is believing?

Upon seeing this:



One may well be led to believe that A and B are the opposite ends of a straight line passing through the black rectangle. However a straightedge reveals this to not be the case.

So again, what is really being said when one says "listening is believing"?

I used 2 of them in my system to ground my dac and preamp and it works better than most other tweaks.

Your DAC and preamp are no more "grounded" than they were before. After reading Acoustic Revive's "explanation" of the thing, it's pretty clear that they haven't any understanding at all of either basic physics or even the concept of "ground." It's as if they're working off some grossly oversimplified, grade school notion of what "ground" is.

Acoustic Revive is very famous in Japan for being an audio company that only specialize in accessories that consistently win annual awards at the local audio awards.

So? The only reason for such awards is to impress people who are impressed by "awards." It's otherwise known as "marketing." 

The Japanese are serious at tweaking and certainly have better gadgets than any in the west

And only in this industry can those who haven't the foggiest idea what they're doing, often times just making stuff up out of thin air, consistently come up with these "amazing" tweaks. That in itself is truly... amazing.

se

[Steve Eddy]

By the way, if "ground" is simply a negative potential as is stated in their "explanation," then just connect your equipment to the negative terminal on a battery. 

se

[Russell Dawkins]

It's probably blessed earth from the ancient groves of the druids in Bahn Carnogh. They were known for the beautiful lute music they played to the maidens who visited them from all over the land. Use this earth to bless your equipment and the maidens will come break down your door. 

Hmmm - I guess that would be worth $495!

with respect, hotbird, although I think you meant "hearing is believing", I think (and I am really not trying to be facetious) that the truth is "believing is believing".

[hotbird]

I live in the East so of course the price of Acoustic Revive is a level less expensive there.
Acoustic Revive tweaks do work. You just have to set down your prejudices and arrogance
to try them out.  Japan do make many high end audiophile products, whose quality
and performance are right now being revered by many in US now, eg Esoteric, Airtight,
Accuphase, Shindo etc, you don't call them bs brands do you ?

[hotbird]

If you have not tried it, I guess nothing will convince your arrogance.
You behave like an audio guru, deriding the explanation of every tweak lately
Go on being so, but there is this Chinese saying
"There is always a mountain higher than any mountain"
 

May be bs to most, but listening is believing.

But oddly enough, the belief that "listening is believing," combined with the nature of human perception, is precisely what allows all manner of BS to find a market. Because of this, there is literally nothing too absurd, nor anything which does not "work" for some number of people. Up to and including putting photographs of themselves in their freezers causing their audio systems to sound better.

So what is really being said when one says "listening is believing"? If listening is believing, may we also say that seeing is believing?

Upon seeing this:



One may well be led to believe that A and B are the opposite ends of a straight line passing through the black rectangle. However a straightedge reveals this to not be the case.

So again, what is really being said when one says "listening is believing"?

I used 2 of them in my system to ground my dac and preamp and it works better than most other tweaks.

Your DAC and preamp are no more "grounded" than they were before. After reading Acoustic Revive's "explanation" of the thing, it's pretty clear that they haven't any understanding at all of either basic physics or even the concept of "ground." It's as if they're working off some grossly oversimplified, grade school notion of what "ground" is.

Acoustic Revive is very famous in Japan for being an audio company that only specialize in accessories that consistently win annual awards at the local audio awards.

So? The only reason for such awards is to impress people who are impressed by "awards." It's otherwise known as "marketing." 

The Japanese are serious at tweaking and certainly have better gadgets than any in the west

And only in this industry can those who haven't the foggiest idea what they're doing, often times just making stuff up out of thin air, consistently come up with these "amazing" tweaks. That in itself is truly... amazing.

se

[hotbird]

Read this article on Acoustic Revive (call it marketing or whatever you want, but this guy is convinced enough to sell it) 

http://www.lotusgroupusa.com/IntroToAR.htm

 aa

[hotbird]

And US reviewers are jumping off the cliff to review them, I suppose 
Check out the impending reviews of 2 Acoustic Revive products at Ultraaudio,
namely, the RD-3 CD demagnetizer and the RIO-5 II Negative Ion Generator

http://www.ultraaudio.com

Sorry, I have not tried any of the well known US tweaks based on timex clocks and polished rock yet 

Threads are full of folks who swear by the positive affects of Timex clocks with orange price stickers, and small bottles of polished rocks.

Believers are everywhere. At every economic, geographic and educational level.

I don't have to try flying off a cliff without a hang glider or parachute to know it's not a good idea. aa

[hotbird]

So I just need to point out to 1 more legitimate magazine review and you will buy it 
Gee, you just lost status  aa

Ultraaudio.com has just lost status, IMO.

When Acoustic Revive products are reviewed and tested by a legitimate US (or British, or German, or...) periodical, I'll pay more attention.

The nature of the internet legitimizes anything written by anybody, regardless of the nonsense contained in the prose.

[WGH]

Just a little off topic (very little I think) - Anyone still using a Tice Clock?

[hotbird]

Quite easy, actually, there are already many "legitimate" reviews in many HK, and Japanese magazines on
Acoustic Revive where they have won many fans. So would you believe ? 

Eg from Stereosound magazine of Japan

http://www.stereosound.co.jp/hivi/link/accessory.html

And Phileweb publishes the Audio Excellence awards covered by the Stereosound Magazine
Acoustic Revive receives a couple of awards
 
http://www.phileweb.com/products/aea2006/genre_e.html

Besides, there is a well read Japanese quarterly magazine called Audio Accessory who features reviews of Acoustic Revive products frequently

http://www.phileweb.com/editor/audio-a/123/index.html

So I just need to point out to 1 more legitimate magazine review and you will buy it 
Gee, you just lost status  aa

No sir. You merely have to point to ONE legitimate review in a published periodical. So far, you have not.

[Steve Eddy]

If you have not tried it, I guess nothing will convince your arrogance.

I've never understood this line of reasoning. Could you please explain to me what my having listened to it or not has to do with anything I've said?

You behave like an audio guru, deriding the explanation of every tweak lately

I don't believe my comments were derisive. I thought they were quite charitable actually.

But when a tweak's "explanation" is as ridiculous as this one, what's wrong with pointing out that it's ridiculous?

se

[hotbird]

Proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Go try it instead of being an armchair critic
Understand ?
 aa

If you have not tried it, I guess nothing will convince your arrogance.

I've never understood this line of reasoning. Could you please explain to me what my having listened to it or not has to do with anything I've said?

You behave like an audio guru, deriding the explanation of every tweak lately

I don't believe my comments were derisive. I thought they were quite charitable actually.

But when a tweak's "explanation" is as ridiculous as this one, what's wrong with pointing out that it's ridiculous?

se

[2bigears]

 a tweak is a tweak.some work,some don't.we gotta get along together.my 5oo buck ic just failed,must have touched them 5 times in total.maybe i should have listened to most of the population and bought some down to earth cables in the first place.this audio shit is fun huh????  it's all about the music!!!!

[Steve Eddy]

Acoustic Revive tweaks do work. You just have to set down your prejudices and arrogance
to try them out.

So would you be willing to try the frozen photograph tweak? It would cost you virtually nothing.

Here's the "problem":

Each individual human had a fundamental adverse problem imposed on their senses when they had their first photograph taken. A photographic image captures the unique identity of the subject of the photograph but imposes a significant temporal (time) asymmetrical pattern. The action of this photograph radically changed the inner symmetry of the senses of the photographed human being. Fortunately, this debilitating adverse condition is reversible.

Here is the "cure":

To restore a significant temporal (time) symmetry to any person's senses, it is necessary to acquire one photograph which was exposed when the person was young and another photograph exposed when the person was older. Each photograph is placed, individually, into it's own clear plastic bag. The two plastic bags, each containing a spaced time photograph of the same individual, should be placed inside the freezer compartment of the domestic refrigerator.

And here's the "explanation":

This experiment demonstrates that within the freezer compartment, there exists a high degree of symmetry and that this symmetrical condition is imposed on the temporal asymmetric condition of the two chronologically spaced photographs and is, in turn, imposed on the senses of the human subject of the photographs. It is unfortunate that the vast majority of people, including many who work in science and technology, do not appreciate that a photograph functions within the quantum mechanical world.

And here's an excerpt from a legitimate audio review by Carol Clark in Positive Feedback magazine:

I have my photos in the freezer, and it has not only improved my enjoyment of music at home, but at fellow audiophiles homes nearby, and as far away as Las Vegas during this year’s CES.

Japan do make many high end audiophile products, whose quality
and performance are right now being revered by many in US now, eg Esoteric, Airtight,
Accuphase, Shindo etc, you don't call them bs brands do you ?

Are any of those brands making ridiculous claims similar to those made by Acoustic Revive?

se

[Steve Eddy]

Proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Go try it instead of being an armchair critic

Sure. Soon as you can tell me what my listening to it has to do with anything I've said.

But let's say I did listen to it. And that I didn't hear any difference at all. Would this then prove that it doesn't work?

se