[warnerwh]

There's no doubt in my mind your speakers sound incredibly good. Even my RM 40's are difficult to better. I knew Brian had a way to do a world beater speaker at an excellent price and you're hearing it. Wait til you get them dialed in.

It took me a long time to get my RM 40's sounding their best. The main reason is the speakers are more capable than I'd ever dealt with before. Tweaking and tweaking my system continued to improve the sound after I'd think that "it isn't getting any better than this". I'm done now however.  Music is wonderfully enjoyable. All who hear my system are amazed at the sound quality. This of course is speakers and a good acoustical environment. The VMPS line from the bottom up is very worthy of spending time/money on room acoustics.

I tell you this as it's unusual to have a speaker that can sound so life like. The pair of subs will add immensely to the sound quality. Room acoustics like bass traps and dampening are mandatory to appreciate what the speakers are capable of.

I'm very much hoping someone in the NW will order a pair of V60's so I can hear them. 

I'd appreciate hearing more thoughts on your speakers and comparison's with other speakers you've heard/owned.  Thank You

[PLMONROE]

Speakers? Hummmm -  I guess I go back to Acoustic Research AR-3As. That sure dates me doesn't it? A pair of the durn things cost me a full months pay as young Air Force Lieutenant in those days. I have heard about everything at CES and T.H.E. Show the last couple of years. Ironic thing -- you come home to the satisfaction that nothing there sounded as good as what you already have! CES has to be the worst possible place in the world to audition speakers.  However my  tastes seem to have run over the years to planers and ribbons. I like Martin Logans, Maggies, etc, Obvious problem is the difficulty of placement and lack of bass. I bought my RM-40s, sight unseen, the month after Brian won the award for them at CES. I did so  pretty much on the basis of that award which turned out to be one of the smarter things I have done in my life! So I had the best of all worlds. Later I bought a third and a Trinaural processor

Actually the RM-V60s give me much of the sound spread of the Trinaural and three RM-40s and perhaps a bit more. Housteau, whose opinions I have come to highly respect, pointed out in an email that one problem of some dipoles was that they did not focus well. As best as I can tell the 60s focus very sharply in my room, which has both absorption and diffusion treatment, but far more diffusion. I have come to feel that for me the damper needs to be almost fully in. Full orchestra is absolutely astounding. These are very fast and very detailed, however they pretty much ask no quarter and take no prisoners. They bring out whatever there is on a recording and every bit of it. Further I can't think of any speaker I have ever heard on which violins and piano sound more natural. I am having a ball, Want to hear 'em? Common out!  aa aa aa

Paul

[James Romeyn]

What happened to the 4th page?

John did you delete it by accident?

[John Casler]

What happened to the 4th page?

John did you delete it by accident?

I had to split the thread since I took it so far off topic, and I also wanted to hear more about Paul's RM v60's.

Look here: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=39382.msg353278;topicseen#new

[PLMONROE]

RM-V60s will shortly be arriving elsewhere so here are some of my observations on unpacking: 

I don't think you will have any problem moving them if you will not be taking them above or below ground level. If I may offer a couple of suggestions -- the box containing the bases and OXOs will be on the top of the pallet. Mine was on its side with the top facing out. If yours is not turn it until it is. Then you can unscrew the top and be working at waist level. Take off the top and then the foam spacer and you can remove the bases. Just be careful not to also pull out an OXO and drop it on your foot as I did. The bases really are not too heavy and are no problem. The two crates for  the main parts of the speaker are on the bottom. You should be able to lift one end of each and slide them off the pallet to where they are standing upright. There are four handles, two on each side so you can get a good hold. I am not very big and I also am 73 years old, even so I was able to raise the crates upright and "walk" them into the garage and over to the door leading to our family room - which is two steps up. I then took out a  gazillion screws (oh - take out the screws from the bottom of these crates before you take them off the pallet - once the crates are standing upright the screws are too close to the floor to be removed easily). Once you remove the front of the crate you can easily work the 60s from side to side and out and onto the floor (there is a six inch foam spacer on each end so you won't be putting them directly on the floor). I then "walked" them over to the doorway, opened the door and just laid them down across the threshold. Next I picked up the end in the garage and just pushed the speakers through the door on their backs. Once inside I picked up one end and up righted them. No problem so far. At this point I had a a couple of youths carry everything upstairs where we put everything together. There are several pegs that connect the tops to the bases and hold them in place. Here you have to use a bit of care. I laid the 60s down --on either the front or on the back should be OK. Just don't put them on their sides. I rolled up a throw rug and put it under the bottom end to raise it up enough to get the bases on. The pegs fit snugly but were perfectly aligned -- there is GREAT craftsmanship on these dudes. Its important to raise them to their upright position by lifting them in a motion that is straight foreword or straight backward. That way the stress by the pegs is forward or backward along the length of the V . You don't want to lift sideways for there is not much cabinet thickness on the inside and outside of each of the pegs and as John warns, I think you could very easily split out a side panel. Conversely you could lay them down balanced across a chair(s) or better yet a sawhorse or two with throw rugs for padding. Once the bottoms are on you can slide the speaker forward resting the fore or aft part on the floor. Then you can start lifting beginning at a 45 degree angle or so, as opposed to starting with them flat on the floor. If you have someone to help you moving these are much easier. If I had had John here I am confident that he could have picked one up my himself and taken it upstairs. I had hired two youths to carry them up my staircase. The first they carried up with the apex of the speakers turned down (dumb). They got smarter with the second and turned the apex up. That way one can get a far, far better grip. Good luck!

Paul 
 

[Housteau]

Paul sent me this email yesterday, and as I told him,  "this was the perfect email and at the perfect time".  I had been trying to figure out all the logistics.  I just got home from being away for two weeks, and there on the answering machine was a call from a local freight company .  They should be here within the hour.

[PLMONROE]

Hay, now I got company. Att'a way Dave!

[James Romeyn]

Don't know if Brian ever brought a scale to the Plant to confirm the piece weight.

Anyway...Brian kept quoting at THE Show 150 lbs per each Wing minus the triple-6.5" base.  Me & my buddy/fire dept co-worker George (ex-Marine pilot) uncrated the Wings & sited the Wings on the bases.  George & I aren't Casler (well nobody is), but we are both tall & aren't weaklings (George swims in The Bay regularly; yes apparently all my friends must be confirmed "ecentrics").  But still, I'm thinking, no way those Wings are 150, much less, not even close.  

But Brian kept on quoting 150.  Later upon teardown, me wants some confirmation on this subject to convince Brian to get a scale.  Hey, if they're 150 fine, even though they are OB, mass can help sound even though it might make moving more difficult.  And all we want to do is know the right number anyway...

So upon teardown George & I each grab one side of a Wing & raise/lower it a few inches sevearl times.  George votes for 80 lbs, 90 max (I thought about 70).

Brian, did you bring the scale to the Plant?  "Enquiring" minds want to know!

Paul what's your guess?  The base may weigh about the same, can't recall.     

[PLMONROE]

Jim, there is no way the bases are  as heavy as the wings.  Further I would almost offer to eat the wings if they weighg more than 105 or so (unless the excitement had my adrenalin up a lot further than I thought.) 

[James Romeyn]

Hey, Brian should include some frozen "musical" chicken Wings in dry ice w/ each pair-no?

Housteau, would you be so kind & generous as to carefully (if possible) weigh a Wing (V60, not chicken)?

This is a-non-authorized VMPS Reality Show: Guess the weight of the Wing!  Winner gets supply of chicken wings for a month cooked by Brian & delivered to your door!

I say 85 lbs because that was George's guess & he beat me on 2 or 3 gentleman's bets on that stupid trip.

Paul, did you just remove 20 lbs from your earlier estimate?

   

[PLMONROE]

Yup -- mistyped!   What's your guess Dave?

[Brian Cheney]

Aerologistics informs me they weoighed the Housteau freight at 1100 lbs!  That's for two wings, two bases, a converted Larger Sub and an amp.
They're packed in birch plywood crates on a pallet.

[James Romeyn]

The only Achilles heel of moving away from Brian-having to pay for shipping...Brian can you ship mine w/o the plywood?  If not, when's your next drive out to North Utah?

[Housteau]

That sure was the weight on the ticket alright.  I have to agree that the individual pieces did not feel that heavy, but sometimes the shape of objects makes them easier to work with, and so gives the illusion of weighing less than they really do.  Mine arrived not on a single pallet, but on 4 individual ones.  It was easier for the local delivery to be handled that way.  It looked like I was getting a delivery from Casket World .  I didn't have any trouble moving them around and putting them together by myself.

I'll start my own thread soon, but first I have a lot of tinkering to do.  My first impressions are very good.  I really had my RS1bs dialed in and that only took 17 years.  I know that the V60s will take time to burn in, but right now without any of my adjustments being nearly correct, I find them wonderful and better than where I had left of with the RS1bs.

[James Romeyn]

...My first impressions are very good.  I really had my RS1bs dialed in and that only took 17 years.  I know that the V60s will take time to burn in, but right now without any of my adjustments being nearly correct, I find them wounderful and better than where I had left of with the RS1bs.

Wow.  Anyone that's heard 1bs properly tuned w/ the right gear knows the weight of that statement. 

[John Casler]

That sure was the weight on the ticket alright.  I have to agree that the individual pieces did not feel that heavy, but sometimes the shape of objects makes them easier to work with, and so gives the illusion of weighing less than they really do.  Mine arrived not on a single pallet, but on 4 individual ones.  It was easier for the local delivery to be handled that way.  It looked like I was getting a delivery from Casket World .  I didn't have any trouble moving them around and putting them together by myself.

I'll start my own thread soon, but first I have a lot of tinkering to do.  My first impressions are very good.  I really had my RS1bs dialed in and that only took 17 years.  I know that the V60s will take time to burn in, but right now without any of my adjustments being nearly correct, I find them wonderful and better than where I had left of with the RS1bs.

Hi Dave,

Just got in a found you received you pair. 

WOW!! that is great.

It is always great to hear how everyone ends up "tuning, tweaking, and enjoying" their speakers.

I know both of you have challenging rooms, Paul's not being very large and yours having an angled cathedral ceiling.

Looking forward to hearing how each of you set up initially and then what adjustments you make.

Do keep an open mind to place them differently to see what they do.

My single experience was in a rather small room and with B's perseverance in set up, they sounded wonderful.

In fact, the interesting thing was, the first day we had to power them with a single channel from the Son of AmpZilla, and the AMBROSIA preamp and I have to say 100w never sounded so good. (of course we had another 2000w running to the subs aa)

This is a special speaker and the other great part of this adventure is that the VLA to complete the InVicta will come later and give the same pleasure all over again.