RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers

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Our NEW RAV1X speaker is a compact monitor for small to mid-sized rooms in a 2 channel system or for a Home theater system as monitors using the new XBL^2 m-130X driver matched with the RA104.5 ribbon tweeter.

 RAV1X kit includes
Regular price $479.99 sale priced $399.99

:: 2- M-130X XBL^2  5.25" drivers
:: 2- RA104.5 ribbon tweeters
:: Sonicap capacitors, Sonicap Gen II bypass capacitors, Alpha-Core inductors, Mills resistors (Platinum bi-pass caps are available as a options )
:: CNC baffles and grills may be purchased as a option as well
:: Custom RAW terminal cups, ports, wire, screws,polyfil
:: cabinet construction plans,crossover layout plans
:: Recommended cabinet dimensions:
   12" h x 8" w x 11.625" d.
:: Sensitivity 87 db (1watt/1m)
:: Recommended amplification 20-100 watts RMS
:: Impedance 8 ohms nominal

http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__RAV1X_speakers,846.html
http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__RAV1X_speaker_kit,844.html








Horizontal off axis measurments above
Vertical off axis measurements below




measurment below, fast and clean decay rate. It has really low distortion too. This woofer is really clean in the vocal region



Milehighguy

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #1 on: 9 Mar 2007, 07:43 pm »
I was very impressed with the prototype of these at the RMAF last October. Anybody looking for this type of small monitor should put these at the top of their list.

Berndt

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #2 on: 10 Mar 2007, 12:46 am »
Any thoughts about doing an RA-8X?

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #3 on: 10 Mar 2007, 02:56 am »
Bill
No need todo a new design :green:
The M-130X is a drop in for the RA8 due to the crossover point, no change at all in the RA8 crossover.

wshuff

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #4 on: 10 Mar 2007, 01:36 pm »
Are you also going to have the RA versions of the AV2 and AV3S?

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #5 on: 10 Mar 2007, 03:56 pm »
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Are you also going to have the RA versions of the AV2 and AV3S?

we are not going to be making all of the designs due to the only M-130 which will have XBL^2 is the 8ohm driver.
For the AV3S that speaker needs the 16 ohm driver but the AV2 may still make it!HAve to wait and see.

We have CNC baffles and grills instock for the MT as well as a MTM just have ,this MTM will be a speaker with a 4 ohm load (AV2) ported.And not shielded?

Nick V

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #6 on: 11 Mar 2007, 09:41 pm »
Bill
No need todo a new design :green:
The M-130X is a drop in for the RA8 due to the crossover point, no change at all in the RA8 crossover.


Would the new drivers make much of a difference in the bass frequencies to take advantage of the xbl^2 drivers, or would it not make much of a difference because the tuning point is the same?

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #7 on: 11 Mar 2007, 10:10 pm »
We have got some data from Danny and waiting for the final batch to arrive to make sure all the data is the same but should be.

The first thing you notice with XBL^2 driver is they sound over all clear and clean.
Meaning the same driver using the same soft parts on them, the motor change only .People pick out the XBL driver as sounding clean and clear as well as some find the bass is tighter with a fuller upper mid range as well.This has a lot to do with the BL having more control with the XBL driver.

This test can be done for anyone who wants to listen here or I belive Danny can as well.
That is just put the pair of drivers in a box same volume with a on off switch on each driver to switch from one driver to the next.

Adire has this for a 10" driver and anyone who has ever done the A,B test when I was around Adire all picked the XBL driver as a sound quality pick over the other .
No one made a direct comment to more bass ,which most people really think is the main advantage of XBL. :wink:
When XBL gets implimented into a driver it takes a lot of work working with Adire and the manufacture as Dan made
here
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XBL^2 designs are also harder to get built right (most build houses don't understand how critical the VC length and placement is to the performance).

In reality, VC length is crucial to a good linear XBL² motor.  And in reality it is EXTREMELY easy to get right; the issue has been getting manufacturers to actually ACCEPT that when you say 4 layers with 162 turns of 0.3mm single-coat wire, you MEAN exactly that.  With most drivers, anywhere from 152 to 180 turns would be fine.

Winding voice coils, though, is quite simple to get to the exact number of turns.  You just have to convince the manufacturer to pay attention to it.  Often you'll call out a 6.2mm long voice coil, and they have 6mm and 6.5mm in stock, so will use one of those.  No, it needs a specific length.  It's not hard - in fact, getting accurate, repeatable VC winding lengths is trivially simple!  It just takes time to convince the factories that it needs to happen.

Once it does, though, watch out!

When Adire makes notes for a manufacture to follow they must follow the design layout.Not just use parts they have in stock most times.

This is the main issue what has taken so long to get the drivers made for the M-130X.

Back to your questions about tuning.
The low end of the M-130X will stay the same meaning same ports tuning will be a little lower but not a lot.But the XBL driver sounds like it has a lot lower tuning .All due to the XBL.

Here is a test with the m-130 Danny did
Here is a M-130 mounted in a box with damping material. The measurement was taken at 7" (near field just like John's) with a 4ms gated time window. This is an un-smoothed response.


Here below is the RAV1X finished speaker with the crossover.There is no upper scale of the M-130 driver to the fact there is no tweeter present.

« Last Edit: 11 Mar 2007, 10:20 pm by RAW »

klh

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #8 on: 13 Mar 2007, 07:12 pm »
Al...

Please talk a bit more about the MTM. How low will it play (-3dB)? How efficient do you expect them to be? How do they image when laid sideways (LCR)? How much will they cost (kit and complete)? Will you offer adjustability (different box/port sizes as well as a sealed version)?

Also, WRT the RA8X... will that have 6 of the new M130X woofers? How much will that cost (kit and complete)? How would three up front (one horizontal) pair with the new MTM's as surrounds?

Any other new designs on the way?

Thanks :)

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #9 on: 14 Mar 2007, 07:10 pm »
The MTM yet to be finished info will be updated as the model gets finished.
As for imaging does not change really at all from the vertical to horizontal placement of the MTM.

RA8X well not really.
With the RA8 this can not use the M-130X in the MTM only the out woofers due to the XBL drivers are in 8ohm only.
So for those who would like to change the outer drivers to the XBL woofers yes that can be a option on the RA8.

Tuning of them all really the tuning stays the same but the lower flat BL from the driver as it does this in every XBL driver sounds like it produces more low end.


klh

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #10 on: 16 Mar 2007, 03:04 am »
will the mtm match with the ra8x?

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #11 on: 18 Mar 2007, 12:18 am »
NO
The RA8 with the addition of the XBL^2 woofer ONLY not midrange drivers as they are the 16ohm drivers .So I will not market the RA8 as a full XBL speaker .So no RA8X !

Will the MTM match they will have the same crossover point and slope I am sure.
But the sound difference from the new MTM to the MTM in the RA8 not sure till they are finished.


klh

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #12 on: 20 Mar 2007, 04:30 pm »
I figured as much. Thanks.

Hobbes26

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #13 on: 22 Mar 2007, 01:54 am »
How do these compare to the Kit41s?

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #14 on: 22 Mar 2007, 02:17 am »
Not even in the same league at all
Start off the kit 41 uses a simple roll off for the tweeter and with this design the off axis response if very sharp to say the lease.
Then add in the fact the kit 41 only uses a $3.00 tweeter compared to our ribbon.We have stronger tweeter presence in every way to that $3.00 tweeter.

Then you add the fact the RAV1X uses a 5.25" driver with XBL to the WR125S which also uses XBL.
The M-130X will have lower extention over the WR125S no shock here as the 5.25" driver is larger it should have more low end over the WR125S.


Over all the RAV1X will have lower extention than the kit 41
Better highs
better dispersion both horizontally and vertically.
All due to the ribbon against the tweeter.

But if shielding is important the WR125S is shielded were the M-130X is not.



Hobbes26

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Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #15 on: 22 Mar 2007, 02:44 am »
Wow, quick response...

I (of course) expected that the top end would be much better with the ribbon.  What's the Xmax of the M130?

I've got the Kit41s right now, and looking to upgrade to another small speaker... looking into options..

RAW

Re: RAV1X kits now available with the new M-130X XBL^2 drivers
« Reply #16 on: 22 Mar 2007, 04:14 am »
7.8mm each way
Like I said not only the top end but over all perspective of the top end id better.
Then add more low end to the mix.