SILVERRR Cables @ GREAT Prices.....Highly Reviewed (Updated)

TheeeChosenOne · « **Reply #60 on:** 17 Jul 2003, 11:51 pm »

Btw, Grover said he will still give a 90 day money back guarantee even if you tweak the cable (i.e. Bybee or Eichmann).

That is a very generous offer on his side!

Danny Richie · « **Reply #61 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 01:05 am »

If any of the rest of you guys want to send me some cables, go for it.

I am going to put together a few other really good ears and we are going to have a day to compare some stuff.

Wayne is sending some of his. We have some interesting stuff on hand from cheap DIY stuff to the Greotz.

As for getting raw Bybee's..

Wayne is a Bybee dealer.

Cryotweaks is a dealer.

And I am a dealer.

They are $80. each.

vpolineni · « **Reply #62 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:50 am »

TheeeChosenOne,
Do you have a link to where I can buy an all silver bybee? I think that would make for a great IC.

vpolineni · « **Reply #63 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:50 am »

TheeeChosenOne,
Do you have a link to where I can buy an all silver bybee? I think that would make for a great IC.

vpolineni · « **Reply #64 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:58 am »

Here's another thought:
Drew needs a bulk order of 1000 dollars to order bybees himself. Each person would need 2 bybees per interconnect and each bybee is a little under 100 dollars i believe-let's assume 80 dollars. If we had 7 people do this, that would put the order at over 1000 dollars-I myself would need 4 bybees (2 for the IC, 2 for my speakers). Any thoughts of members here at this forum making a bulk order???

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #65 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 03:04 am »

Quote from: audioengr

I happen not to believe in Bybee filters, particularly the way that they are typically used in power supplies, digital signal paths and on cables. In fact, when I do my mods I typically remove them if they are present in a customers component. I have not found them to be beneficial except to systems where there is a lot of audible sibilance. I prefer to go to the root-cause of the sibilance and eliminate it rather than filtering it out. These bybees just eliminate some of the music when used in this way.

So, are you implying that Dan Wright is doing things incorrectly in his modifications, which make extensive use of Bybee filters in the power supplies and speaker mods?

Danny Richie · « **Reply #66 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 03:06 am »

I don't have any all Silver ones and don't know who does.

Good luck on the group buy idea. Jack is pretty selective about his dealers and who he sells to.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #67 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 03:17 am »

Well, has anybody here tried the Midnight Silver Edition ICs and speaker wire besides Lak, Satfrat and mysel? They have been causing one hell of a revolt in Audiogon and the Asylum. Lak sold his Pure Note Epsilon ICs and speaker cables and got all Ridge Street Audio ones. The designer, Robert Schult, says that teflon is not a good dielectric for silver.

I am replacing all the ICs in my system with Midnight Silver Editions. I plan to take my Technics 1200 to Robert and have him rewire the tonearm (Cardas tonearm wire) and replace the ICs with MSE. Looking forward to that...

satfrat · « **Reply #68 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 04:44 am »

Quote from: Psychicanimal

Well, has anybody here tried the Midnight Silver Edition ICs and speaker wire besides Lak, Satfrat and mysel?

Ah, I have to confess that I haven`t tried the MSE IC`s from Ridge Street and have to intention of trying them anytime soon. I have no need for such high end IC`s in my HT system. What Psychicanimal was refering to is a Midnight Silver Edition digital cable that Robert is making up for me with Bybee`s on each end. I haven`t received it yet and I told Robert not to hurry as he`s never worked with Bybee`s before and I wanted him to take his time and audition them in his cables for future reference. Plus the fact that I have 2 of Wayne`s Bybee inlines w/silver bullets anyways so I ain`t hurtin’. I do know that this cable is waaaay too good for my ancient B*se speakers but I won`t own them forever and I`ll probably be taking this cable to my grave!

Regards, Robin

TheeeChosenOne · « **Reply #69 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 05:07 am »

Quote from: vpolineni

TheeeChosenOne,
Do you have a link to where I can buy an all silver bybee? I think that would make for a great IC.

Certainly. The Bybee Silver Lead link for Purchase:

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RAM&Category_Code=BYBEE

........Yesss, I agree, it would make for a fantastic cable.

P.S. Vpolineni : I'd also be up for a Bybee bulk order with Drew. You can put me in for 4 Bybees also.

satfrat · « **Reply #70 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 05:17 am »

Damn, wish I had known about these silver Bybee`s. Especially good for digital, double damn!

Regards, Robin

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #71 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 12:31 pm »

Quote from: TheeeChosenOne

Quote from: vpolineni
TheeeChosenOne,
Do you have a link to where I can buy an all silver bybee? I think that would make for a great IC.

Certainly. The Bybee Silver Lead link for Purchase:

http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RAM&Category_Code=BYBEE

........Yesss, I agree, it would make for a fantastic cable.

P.S. Vpolineni : I'd also be up for a Bybee bulk order with Drew. You can put me in for 4 Bybees also.

Guys!

I think you should take it easy with the Bybees! The Bybees are useful in an audio system (I have four in my speakers) but they are just polishers and not inexpensive. You need to have something take care of the bulk of the noise. It's like a three step noise removal process, if you want to look at it in such a way. Lak uses Xentech isolation transformers at the 220V level, then a DeZorel for the power amps and a Clear image T4 for the line level components and Bybees for polishing:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vdone&1041994460

http://cgim.audiogon.com/i/vs/s/f/1056572956.jpg

This can be done cheaply if you keep your eyes open:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544992284&category=42881&rd=1

I plan to use this transformer (if it works) to hook up two T4 filters: one for analog line level, one for digital components. I have another ONEAC 220V, 300W transformer for the power amps.

Here's a really good post from one of the guys that has been teaching me about noise control:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1058278893&openflup&14&4#14

So, please take a deep breath and plan a strategy you want to follow--it will give you the best results and save you money.

JohnR · « **Reply #72 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 01:09 pm »

You guys are killing me!

You can get two pairs of Grover ICs for less than the price of one of those Bybees with silver leadouts! Is anyone going to actually try them (stock)?? I thought this thread was about ICs at "GREAT" prices...

vpolineni · « **Reply #73 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:23 pm »

good point john...
the associated costs would add up to the point where I wouldn't want to pay that much money-no matter how good it may sound. or do I want to make the one time investment...

I think grover huffman's stock interconnects will do just fine.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #74 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:44 pm »

Quote from: vpolineni

good point john...
the associated costs would add up to the point where I wouldn't want to pay that much money-no matter how good it may sound. or do I want to make the one time investment... I think grover huffman's stock interconnects will do just fine.

Just one thing: Avoid Teflon insulated silver for interconnects. It's much better to use teflon insulated copper. The best would be natural insulation, like thr Ridge Street Audio cables. No neeed to make lateral moves here...

JoshK · « **Reply #75 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 02:53 pm »

I think Bolder Cable M80s need to be mentioned for the great priced high performance ICs. Probably could stand to be in the speaker cables arena too but I haven't tried them myself.

TheeeChosenOne · « **Reply #76 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 03:47 pm »

If you guys are interested, I can arrange a group buy of 10 pair (i.e. 20) for $75.00 each ($77.25 w/ 3% Paypal already included). Silver leads would be $154.50 each. Shipping would be $3.50 per order.

It's a very reputable vendor and I thank him for contacting me.

PM me if any of you guys are interested.....

Btw, the purchase would be done thru the vendor not thru me (I'm just the facilitator).

audioengr · « **Reply #77 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 05:02 pm »

satfrat wrote:

Quote

Damn, wish I had known about these silver Bybee`s. Especially good for digital, double damn!

I don't think so... I have to remove them when I do my digital mods to Transports. The muck-up the edge-rate, resulting in more jitter.

These things are nothing but filters. High-frequency filters.

satfrat · « **Reply #78 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 05:34 pm »

Quote from: audioengr

satfrat wrote:
Quote
Damn, wish I had known about these silver Bybee`s. Especially good for digital, double damn!

I don't think so... I have to remove them when I do my digital mods to Transports. The muck-up the edge-rate, resulting in more jitter.

These things are nothing but filters. High-frequency filters.

Well your entitled to your opinion and from the wall of patents you have aquired, it would seem you would know what your talking about. Unfortunately, I LOVE what these "high frequency filters" do for both my audio/video. It does seem funny tho that as a "high frequency filter", Bybee`s do such an awesome job of highlighting the highs in a digital cable application. Maybe it`s just me. But as little as I know about it, I do find it comforting that so many other knowledgeable ppl in the business disagree with you and tout the benefits of Bybee`s in their modifications. It would seem that your beliefs are in the minority. BUT that don`t make ya wrong!

Regards, Robin

Kishore · « **Reply #79 on:** 18 Jul 2003, 05:36 pm »

Quote from: audioengr

I don't think so... I have to remove them when I do my digital mods to Transports. The muck-up the edge-rate, resulting in more jitter. These things are nothing but filters. High-frequency filters.

Steve,

Ironically I was told the same by another tweaker-pass a square wave thru bybee (used in CDP/source) and then see

.

Then don't you think Bybees are good in a Power Conditioner/power source? Bybees (the older add-on) did not make a difference in my ICs/system, but sounded clearer in another friend's set-up-maybe his PS was dirty..

TCO,

Great post/deals on cables and initiative for Group buy!

Cheers,
Kishore

Cheers,
Kishore