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If you had been around and followed that drama for oh, say, 5 years, you would know what I am talking about deja vu all over again...."In development products" are what gets MLS in trouble time and again. My comments were addressing those unhappy with the current problems-that they are nothing new. They were not addressed to the happy customers such as yourself, so if there is a troll in the room, it is you....Glad to hear the speaker correction works great. When was it released and how many speakers are supported? Do you have to rent the kit to measure or send your speakers in? How many corrections are they offering now and what do they cost? The whole arrangement changed so many times I lost count...Oh, and are you still waiting on the promised room correction? I am sure it will be released any day now...Again, none of this is new. It is the de facto MLS business model. And when things get too hot, MLS will release a public statement that will follow this script:1. Accept all the blame and apologize profusely2. Mention all the supplier, production, personnel, personal, and health issues they are dealing with3. Mention all the satisfied customers and how committed they are to making things right 4. Ask for patience5. Promise to straighten things out.Saw this time and again with the PT over the 5-6 years I followed it. Again, MLS is not a bad guy, maybe just a bad business operator.....Sincerely hope this works out for everyone....
I (sort of) apologize for the troll comment. Essentially I think your original post and even the one above are a little over the top based on that one product line (which evidently and not suprisingly has quite a long and involved story of everything that went wrong). I was trying to point out that there are a whole lot of people out there listening to products purchased from Mark and his companies that are very happy with the equipment and the overall experience.
Thank you - even though I don't think that the troll comment was addressed at me specifically, it was an unfortunate generality thrown out there. If you look at all the posts here since the "great closing", you will see that the VAST majority are from long-time AV123 members and supporters. I just haven't seen anything (or very little) in the way of personal attacks, abusive or derogatory statements, or malicious posts. Just people trying to get a handle on what happened and why...As long as it's just discussion and not an attack, I don't see why we can't all play nice. After all, if everyone agreed completely, what need would we have for forums for discussion? If it does start to get ugly, then one message to JohnR will solve the problem. I've actually been thinking that it may not be a bad idea to start a dedicated "Exile's" thread somewhere so that we can continue our discussions (AV123 and other) somewhere other than the AV123 Circle - thoughts?
Quote from: DogWizard on 7 Dec 2008, 05:25 pmThank you - even though I don't think that the troll comment was addressed at me specifically, it was an unfortunate generality thrown out there. If you look at all the posts here since the "great closing", you will see that the VAST majority are from long-time AV123 members and supporters. I just haven't seen anything (or very little) in the way of personal attacks, abusive or derogatory statements, or malicious posts. Just people trying to get a handle on what happened and why...As long as it's just discussion and not an attack, I don't see why we can't all play nice. After all, if everyone agreed completely, what need would we have for forums for discussion? If it does start to get ugly, then one message to JohnR will solve the problem. I've actually been thinking that it may not be a bad idea to start a dedicated "Exile's" thread somewhere so that we can continue our discussions (AV123 and other) somewhere other than the AV123 Circle - thoughts?Good idea. We can't get it closed down if we locate it somewhere else. I vote for Industry Talk, since that seems the most appropriate. I'd start the thread, but I want to get feedback from more frequent posters on AC that this would be the most appropriate place.
Quote from: emac on 7 Dec 2008, 05:40 pmQuote from: DogWizard on 7 Dec 2008, 05:25 pmThank you - even though I don't think that the troll comment was addressed at me specifically, it was an unfortunate generality thrown out there. If you look at all the posts here since the "great closing", you will see that the VAST majority are from long-time AV123 members and supporters. I just haven't seen anything (or very little) in the way of personal attacks, abusive or derogatory statements, or malicious posts. Just people trying to get a handle on what happened and why...As long as it's just discussion and not an attack, I don't see why we can't all play nice. After all, if everyone agreed completely, what need would we have for forums for discussion? If it does start to get ugly, then one message to JohnR will solve the problem. I've actually been thinking that it may not be a bad idea to start a dedicated "Exile's" thread somewhere so that we can continue our discussions (AV123 and other) somewhere other than the AV123 Circle - thoughts?Good idea. We can't get it closed down if we locate it somewhere else. I vote for Industry Talk, since that seems the most appropriate. I'd start the thread, but I want to get feedback from more frequent posters on AC that this would be the most appropriate place. Guys,Audio Central would be the proper place to start the thread, not Industry Talk. That section is for the actual vendors, not to talk about a specific one.George
Do it! Call the thread "Elba".
I see nothing troll like about anyone's behavior yet. I think too often we explain opinions we don't agree with as trollish. Everyone has had valid points and I have been feeling lately over at AV123 only the extremely pro MLS posters were welcome even though we were told otherwise. Its nice to see an honest discussion between long time forum members without fear of being cast off as malcontents, jealous, part of the problem, or trolls. I think there are a lot of things (in fact, most everything) can be learned from history and the PT experience is a valid example. How long have people been waiting for fixed UFW-12's? Coming up on 3 years now. How long do we generally wait for missed updates that were promised? I think all of these things should be examined and not swept under the rug as just Mark talking about pre-production products. Great discussion so far. Lets keep this thing on track gentlemen.
Quote from: droht on 7 Dec 2008, 05:43 pmDo it! Call the thread "Elba".Hey Dean, you read too much!
there are a whole lot of people out there listening to products purchased from Mark and his companies that are very happy with the equipment and the overall experience.
but you have to admit they've gone south of the border lately.
And for DRL, it's easy to fling the name troll around here. Daryl, we have about the same amount of posts here, so we start off equal. Please stop with the Troll comments. It gets old. Your last post seemed reasonable and I'm reasonable too. You know why I don't have any respect for AV123. And in my case, I've been right about that. You're obviously much more patient and enjoy their products, but you have to admit they've gone south of the border lately.
"I don't have any respect for AV123".
Quote"I don't have any respect for AV123". Not the OP to this, but for me I'd say I just don't have anymore 'confidence' in AV123.I made some personal buying rules a few years ago- no Pre-pay - No pre-orders of development products. - No ordering unless a product is in stock and ready to ship- No Cali products.... this is really the only way to avoid drama/excuse/disappointments IMO.The exception to this was a warranty exchange for a dead UFW for an MFW-15 that I waited 10 months for.
