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Quote from: Dan Banquer on 5 Dec 2006, 12:25 amBut heck; what do I know, I'm just another stupid ignorant objectivist. d.b.touchy, touchy, touchy! Hey Dan, since you build gear, let me ask you this:Do different brands of caps with identical specs/measurement/numbers ever sound different to you?If so, how do you explain it?If not, would you just choose the cheapest one?PS: you are being extreme in your arguement. Of course you need scientific devices and measurements to build audio gear. I have never said anything to the contrary, or denied the importance of science in general. You are misrepresenting my point of view, and anyone who reads my posts will see that.
But heck; what do I know, I'm just another stupid ignorant objectivist. d.b.
Mr. Banquer, I read your post about cap specs. It doesn't address the question posed about whether or not you hear a difference among them. Perhaps I missed where you comment on the sonics?
QuoteThe main problem is that in the absence of an objective standard snake oil and scams tend to thrive. Whenever something cannot be quantified it opens up the field for snake-oil and those less savory individuals and companies willing to exploit people. It opens up wild claims with little to support them. That is pretty much the atmosphere we have in high-end audio these days. That type of atmosphere doesn't lend itself to improving products. It doesn't lend itself to the advancement of the artThe flip side to that is that if there was nobody to question the status quo we would all be listening to wax cylinders through a horn. But seriously, If it weren't for people that for which, good is not good enough, we wouldn't have advancement and research and innovation. It takes a certain type of person that doesn't just stop because someone said there is nothing beyond. There is always so much more to investigate.Again, another flipside to your comments would be that some people argue in order to simply discredit others who are marketing something else, and try to pass them off as charlatans.Cheers
The main problem is that in the absence of an objective standard snake oil and scams tend to thrive. Whenever something cannot be quantified it opens up the field for snake-oil and those less savory individuals and companies willing to exploit people. It opens up wild claims with little to support them. That is pretty much the atmosphere we have in high-end audio these days. That type of atmosphere doesn't lend itself to improving products. It doesn't lend itself to the advancement of the art
Do you understand what those caps specs mean and what they tell anyone who is into engineering? Do you understand that those specs will tell you what you need to know for a given application? Do you realize that specs such as ESR are crucial when doing any kind of filtering such as crossovers? or even active filters. How about voltage spec's: do you think they might be important when it comes to power supplies? do you think a nominal and surge rating are important? Film caps generally have some kind of seal to them. Do you think that leak rates might indicate their life span? Do you think that any of these spec's will tell you just how something will "sound" or just work correctly for the given application?Want to design and build a reliable product? Think about what I have posted here.As I said in an earlier post. I listen and to enjoy the stuff I've done over the past 15 years. It's still here with me and still working just fine.This is my last post that will respond to you. It appears you read my posts rather selectively, and I do not have the time or patience to respond further in any kind of civilized manner.Have a nice day; d.b.
I used to think maybe there's something to this, even though I never heard it,since there are some people I respect saying the same thing. Being curious bynature, I had to find out for myself and with the help of some friends did asscientific a test as we could come up with. The results were zilch, zip, nadaeven though I went into it thinking there would be at least something or a difficult to statistically confirm "I think so". Since then, there's been a perfectly validexplanation for everything I hear.
Let's all get drunk and talk about politics and religion!
Example: Do you all remember the post on the RWA site stating how wonderful the Signature 30 sounded right out of the box? My experience was not theirs. Out of the box, my Sig 30 sounded like a horizontal move. I was actually depressed for the first few hours of listening. I heard the same harsh brightness I was experiencing on my previous amp. However, the bass was definitely better.Things changed after about 10 hours. The brightness definitely had mellowed, but the bass kept changing. I know this b/c, in the beginning, to pull good bass I had to turn my sub up to a level I'd never had it before. Keeping the amp running all day with TV or radio for burn-in, I would listen at the end of the day and the bass had become overbearing, so I would turn it down. This happened everyday until I reached level 4 on the sub volume. This is where it has stayed after having started out at level 6.
Just in case anyone forgot this thread used to be about wire burn-in. Do you think by now it should be called something else? d.b.
What about your SB3 and your speakers? What do you feel the changes were in sound quality?What order did you replace items?
The odds of me reading the 8 pages that have been posted since yesterday when I last saw it: zero. When you guys figure out if burn in exists, could someone post the answer?
Did I answer your question?
