Very limited RMAF show report

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Very limited RMAF show report
« on: 26 Oct 2006, 03:52 am »
I only made it to a few rooms because I was showing in two rooms and in one of those rooms the people from the amplifier company didn't show up so I was pretty much flying solo. 

I'm pretty much a speaker junkie so that's mostly what I focused on.  Here are my comments on a few that I did make it to:

Selah:  I loved the dipole midrange speakers Rick Craig was showing.  They sounded effortless and natural with excellent inner detail, and best of all they didn't do anything wrong to distract you from the magic.  They were just lovely.  I don't see how he can sell these for five grand a pair.  The "waterfall Bubinga" front baffles alone make them look like two or three times that price.   If I had been speaker shopping, these are what I most likely would have bought.

ACI:  Apparently I'm one of roughly 25 former customers who are now competitors of Mike Dzurko.   Well, I couldn't begin to compete with him in the area his SapphireXL dominates.  The first thing I said to him was, "You got the power response right!"  He confirmed that he had indeed paid attention to the power response.  That's quite rare, but in my opinion it's something that matters.  It is very hard to get the power response right without doing something exotic (and expensive).   Nice job, Mike!   I have now officially abandoned any plans of building a speaker in the same price range as the SapphireXL, as there's really no point.  I'll go do something else.

Pioneer/TAD:  Andrew Jones (of KEF Uni-Q and Infinity Prelude fame) designed the megabucks TAD Model 1 speakers, and he was showing their more affordable spin-offs.  I heard the 9 grand a pair model, and they did a superb job of disappearing as the apparent sound source.  Pioneer is in my opinion now a very competitive high-end loudspeaker manufacturer.  If I wasn't building my own speakers, this is a line that I'd want to carry.

Acoustic Zen:  I had to hear these, as they're priced right in the same ballpark as a speaker I was showing.  I was hoping the Acoustic Zen Adagios would suck, but I was sorely disappointed.  They were rich, warm, smooth, relaxing, and much as I wanted to find something wrong with them I couldn't.  Okay, maybe the red paint was too bright. 

Cogent/Welbourne Labs:  Though I'll never be able to afford a pair (unless my little speakers become the next Adagios!), this is always one of my favorite rooms.   The Cogent field coil drivers have a combination of ease and liveliness that just sounds real to me.  Yeah the sweet spot is a bit small, but I could live with it.

Next year I'm only doing one room because I want to get out more.  I missed out on many interesting rooms.

One thing I didn't miss out on though was meeting quite a few people from AudioCircle - LoneWolf, Captain Humble, mgalusha, paul, pete, FredT, and others.  Thanks so much for stopping by!  LoneWolf, thanks for the CD!  I'll try to make the Happy Hour next year, but had prior commitments this go-round.

Special thanks to Frank Van Alstine who, when he came by on Friday, heard that I had something out of phase, and a great big THANK YOU to Mike Galusha for poking around and finding that I had indeed hooked one of my speakers up with the leads reversed.  A few minutes before showtime on Friday my system went dead, and in the course of frantically trying to figure out what component was at fault (preamp) I obviously went temporarily color-blind.  After Frank's comments I assumed I had internally wired one of the speakers wrong in the wee hours before leaving for the show, and was much relieved when Mike found the problem was a simple (albeit bone-headed) one.

Duke
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Re: Very limited RMAF show report
« Reply #1 on: 26 Oct 2006, 04:11 am »
It was nice meeting you as well Duke...I enjoyed your rooms.... nice speakers in both. 8)
I've been waiting for the Captain to post the photo's he shot....guess he's been busy making gumbo.... :lol:
I did find some show coverage of both of your rooms .....here.....and....here...... :beer:

Good luck with them....your on the right track..... :thumb:

                                     Chris

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« Reply #2 on: 26 Oct 2006, 07:58 am »
Thanks for the links, Chris!

Also... how could I forget??

I managed to spend a few minutes in Louis Chochos' room.  I used to be one of his dealers, and the only reason I'm not still a dealer for him is that I embarked on my own speaker manufacturing gig.  I was building single-driver speakers (augmented by a built-in powered woofer) at one time, but he does a better job with single-driver speakers than I did and he gets very nice bass extension without the added expense and questionable integration of the built-in powered woofer.

Anyway, when I first heard his hemp speakers a year or so ago I thought they sounded a bit tipped-up in tonal balance.  I preferred the Visaton model.  But the new hemp cone drivers have a much better tonal balance and now I don't know which ones I'd prefer.  The new low-profile wizzer cone sounds much better in my opinion that the older style - the lower to mid treble region is very nicely rendered.  I could have stayed in this room for hours, as that lovely single-driver coherence coupled with smoothness in the region where the ear is most sensitive is very relaxing and draws you into the music.   

Duke

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Re: Very limited RMAF show report
« Reply #3 on: 26 Oct 2006, 03:53 pm »
I only made it to a few rooms because I was showing in two rooms and in one of those rooms the people from the amplifier company didn't show up so I was pretty much flying solo. 

I'm pretty much a speaker junkie so that's mostly what I focused on.  Here are my comments on a few that I did make it to:

Selah:  I loved the dipole midrange speakers Rick Craig was showing.  They sounded effortless and natural with excellent inner detail, and best of all they didn't do anything wrong to distract you from the magic.  They were just lovely.  I don't see how he can sell these for five grand a pair.  The "waterfall Bubinga" front baffles alone make them look like two or three times that price.   If I had been speaker shopping, these are what I most likely would have bought.

ACI:  Apparently I'm one of roughly 25 former customers who are now competitors of Mike Dzurko.   Well, I couldn't begin to compete with him in the area his SapphireXL dominates.  The first thing I said to him was, "You got the power response right!"  He confirmed that he had indeed paid attention to the power response.  That's quite rare, but in my opinion it's something that matters.  It is very hard to get the power response right without doing something exotic (and expensive).   Nice job, Mike!   I have now officially abandoned any plans of building a speaker in the same price range as the SapphireXL, as there's really no point.  I'll go do something else.

Pioneer/TAD:  Andrew Jones (of KEF Uni-Q and Infinity Prelude fame) designed the megabucks TAD Model 1 speakers, and he was showing their more affordable spin-offs.  I heard the 9 grand a pair model, and they did a superb job of disappearing as the apparent sound source.  Pioneer is in my opinion now a very competitive high-end loudspeaker manufacturer.  If I wasn't building my own speakers, this is a line that I'd want to carry.

Acoustic Zen:  I had to hear these, as they're priced right in the same ballpark as a speaker I was showing.  I was hoping the Acoustic Zen Adagios would suck, but I was sorely disappointed.  They were rich, warm, smooth, relaxing, and much as I wanted to find something wrong with them I couldn't.  Okay, maybe the red paint was too bright. 

Cogent/Welbourne Labs:  Though I'll never be able to afford a pair (unless my little speakers become the next Adagios!), this is always one of my favorite rooms.   The Cogent field coil drivers have a combination of ease and liveliness that just sounds real to me.  Yeah the sweet spot is a bit small, but I could live with it.

Next year I'm only doing one room because I want to get out more.  I missed out on many interesting rooms.

One thing I didn't miss out on though was meeting quite a few people from AudioCircle - LoneWolf, Captain Humble, mgalusha, paul, pete, FredT, and others.  Thanks so much for stopping by!  LoneWolf, thanks for the CD!  I'll try to make the Happy Hour next year, but had prior commitments this go-round.

Special thanks to Frank Van Alstine who, when he came by on Friday, heard that I had something out of phase, and a great big THANK YOU to Mike Galusha for poking around and finding that I had indeed hooked one of my speakers up with the leads reversed.  A few minutes before showtime on Friday my system went dead, and in the course of frantically trying to figure out what component was at fault (preamp) I obviously went temporarily color-blind.  After Frank's comments I assumed I had internally wired one of the speakers wrong in the wee hours before leaving for the show, and was much relieved when Mike found the problem was a simple (albeit bone-headed) one.

Duke

It was good to see you at the show and I appreciate your comments about our speakers. I respect your design work and wish you success with your speaker business.

mgalusha

Re: Very limited RMAF show report
« Reply #4 on: 27 Oct 2006, 06:29 pm »
Good to meet you at the show Duke and glad I was able to make a small contribution. I really like the sound of the Jazz Modules but for some reason they were missing part of the lower octaves that I thought for sure they were capable of. Likely a room mode as other tracks didn't seem to have any bass issues.

The track I am referring to is "Church" from Lyle Lovett which your wife was kind enough to play for me. There is bass guitar note that was completely missing in action. I'm 99% it was a room mode though.

Regards,

Mike

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Re: Very limited RMAF show report
« Reply #5 on: 27 Oct 2006, 10:14 pm »
Hi Mike,

Great to meet you, too!

About the missing bass guitar note - yah, we'll call it a room thing.  At the moment I don't have a better excuse!

My nearfield woofer and port measurements indicated response similar to what my computer simulation predicted, but then I didn't confirm them with outdoors farfield measurements (too darn cold).   

Do you remember where you were sitting?  Bass was pretty weak in that front row.

Duke