Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1000 on: 14 Feb 2007, 01:52 pm »
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THis active preamp does not have a volume control but can be added if nessecary. It was design to be used IN CONJUCTION with the TVC. An interconnect connects the output of the tvc into the active preamp and the active preamp will output to the amplifer

THe active preamp will be price around 450 -500 mark

A while back before the tvc before it became famous i used a tvc and an active preamp combo. To my ears it was the best sound/combo ever. Period. That was like 1 year + ago. My self i used a transformer coupled type 26 preamp with all good stuff in it.

So what i did, i decided to revisit this TVC and ACTIVE preamp combo again after 1 year.  Mainly because i had a friend who needed the drive. But this time it was a 6n1p with output trans configuration, same topology.

When i put them together TVC and the Active together what i heard for such a long time confirm truely that the TVC and ACtive together is FAR BETTER THAN the TVC alone. WHen i heard the active with 2 friends, both of them immediately commented when the first note struck, it is as if the tvc was lacking and not showning the music properly.  There were lots of things that were missing. With the TVC it deliver sall the macro things well but what it lacks is the ambience, decay, air, "you are there feeling" and the micro stuff. WIth this combo of the active preamp and tvc you get all of them. SO much that i do not want to return ever to the TVC alone unless i want to save electricity.

However this active preamp part has to be of a certain grade. If it not built right, the transparency will be lost and maybe the effect will not be that great. One thing i notice with Preamps with output trans is that it has the naturalness and body and the "alive sound". So if you are preamp with output trans go for this put an IC and you will hear the difference that you have been missing so much. However there are not many preamps in the market that come with output trans and are cheap. To name a few would be Supratek (cheapest, i seen) and of course don't forget Audio Note.


Even with extra IC, i heard more things, more body and decay and more micro details. So go figure extra IC better sound goes against common wisdom

So what i am doing is I will selling our active preamp as an extra option for people who would like to upgrade and another active preamp with TVC in a single chasis.


Personnelly i am in favour of the TVC in one box and the active preamp in one box. You get to play with more variables and there is less interaction in the case of virbration and Electromagnetic fields

Currently the Active preamp can be ordered for Unity gain(gain of 1) and Gain of 3( for people who need more gain). However because the Output trans for this is actually custom wound. I can make any type of gain depending on user's need at no extra charge.

Also with such a low gain structure the output impedance is something like 5 ohms  (unity gain) and 30 ohms (gain of 3). You would be able to drive most headphones too

I was thinking when i shipped the DAC, i would be able to send an active preamp unit for  home trial. So if any one that is interested please let me know if you want to try it out.



Hi Nick,

Well, if it's just the TVC, would like to see it with a 0 and 6DB gain in the transformers.

Ray

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1001 on: 14 Feb 2007, 03:26 pm »
Nichcolas,

     Great idea with the active.Put me on the list.
rollo


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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1002 on: 14 Feb 2007, 03:36 pm »
Thanks inserting the link
THis active preamp does not have a volume control but can be added if nessecary. It was design to be used IN CONJUCTION with the TVC. An interconnect connects the output of the tvc into the active preamp and the active preamp will output to the amplifer

THe active preamp will be price around 450 -500 mark

A while back before the tvc before it became famous i used a tvc and an active preamp combo. To my ears it was the best sound/combo ever. Period. That was like 1 year + ago. My self i used a transformer coupled type 26 preamp with all good stuff in it.

So what i did, i decided to revisit this TVC and ACTIVE preamp combo again after 1 year.  Mainly because i had a friend who needed the drive. But this time it was a 6n1p with output trans configuration, same topology.

When i put them together TVC and the Active together what i heard for such a long time confirm truely that the TVC and ACtive together is FAR BETTER THAN the TVC alone. WHen i heard the active with 2 friends, both of them immediately commented when the first note struck, it is as if the tvc was lacking and not showning the music properly.  There were lots of things that were missing. With the TVC it deliver sall the macro things well but what it lacks is the ambience, decay, air, "you are there feeling" and the micro stuff. WIth this combo of the active preamp and tvc you get all of them. SO much that i do not want to return ever to the TVC alone unless i want to save electricity.

However this active preamp part has to be of a certain grade. If it not built right, the transparency will be lost and maybe the effect will not be that great. One thing i notice with Preamps with output trans is that it has the naturalness and body and the "alive sound". So if you are preamp with output trans go for this put an IC and you will hear the difference that you have been missing so much. However there are not many preamps in the market that come with output trans and are cheap. To name a few would be Supratek (cheapest, i seen) and of course don't forget Audio Note.


Even with extra IC, i heard more things, more body and decay and more micro details. So go figure extra IC better sound goes against common wisdom

So what i am doing is I will selling our active preamp as an extra option for people who would like to upgrade and another active preamp with TVC in a single chasis.


Personnelly i am in favour of the TVC in one box and the active preamp in one box. You get to play with more variables and there is less interaction in the case of virbration and Electromagnetic fields

Currently the Active preamp can be ordered for Unity gain(gain of 1) and Gain of 3( for people who need more gain). However because the Output trans for this is actually custom wound. I can make any type of gain depending on user's need at no extra charge.

Also with such a low gain structure the output impedance is something like 5 ohms  (unity gain) and 30 ohms (gain of 3). You would be able to drive most headphones too

I was thinking when i shipped the DAC, i would be able to send an active preamp unit for  home trial. So if any one that is interested please let me know if you want to try it out.



Hi Nicholas,

I'd certainly would like to try out the active preamp. Haven't really experience a good tube preamp. The DAC experience would be interesting too. Anyhow, put me on your list too.

Regards,
Ray


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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1003 on: 14 Feb 2007, 03:44 pm »
Hey guys,
       
Connected my active to TVC last night.Was not prepared for results.My active is not transformed coupled so I thought it would be just OK.
    It was NOT GOOD it was VERY GOOD.I can only imagine what it will sound like with the Promitheus preamp.If the transformer based preamp or other preamps as Nicholas suggested sound BETTER than go for it.I was quite shocked to hear the gestalt in the music as well as the clarity and transparency of the TVC.WOW!
    Ray,did you try this with the Supertrack yet? Let us know what you think.
rollo

PS I could not set my active to unity gain as it was just to loud.I settled on half way up.

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1004 on: 14 Feb 2007, 03:59 pm »
Hey guys,
       
Connected my active to TVC last night.Was not prepared for results.My active is not transformed coupled so I thought it would be just OK.
    It was NOT GOOD it was VERY GOOD.I can only imagine what it will sound like with the Promitheus preamp.If the transformer based preamp or other preamps as Nicholas suggested sound BETTER than go for it.I was quite shocked to hear the gestalt in the music as well as the clarity and transparency of the TVC.WOW!
    Ray,did you try this with the Supertrack yet? Let us know what you think.
rollo

PS I could not set my active to unity gain as it was just to loud.I settled on half way up.

Hi Rollo,

My present preamp is an IRDA "Purist" It has selectable 0,, 6, and 9.5 DB. I don't have a good IC to connect the TVC and preamp. It will be an interesting idea to try.

Ray

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1005 on: 14 Feb 2007, 04:54 pm »
I hope I'm not being an arse here, but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread   :oops:

How are the balanced inputs of the TVC? I'm thinking of trying the balanced outputs of my Cambridge Audio 840C.

Saw the new finish of the TVC (at least to my knowledge  :lol:). Sort of a mid coffee brown with slight matte tone (I think). Conventional finish but still the best looking out of the whole lot. At least it wasn't tacky, the ebony knobs matched well with the looks.

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1006 on: 14 Feb 2007, 05:15 pm »
I hope I'm not being an arse here, but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread   :oops:

How are the balanced inputs of the TVC? I'm thinking of trying the balanced outputs of my Cambridge Audio 840C.

Saw the new finish of the TVC (at least to my knowledge  :lol:). Sort of a mid coffee brown with slight matte tone (I think). Conventional finish but still the best looking out of the whole lot. At least it wasn't tacky, the ebony knobs matched well with the looks.

Hi Arse I mean Mysticaldodo,

Just kidding. That's the new CDPlayer right? How you like it versus anything else you might have heard?

Ray

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1007 on: 14 Feb 2007, 10:44 pm »
Interesting info the TVC > Active approach. 

Rollo are you finding that you are using less volume from the active when the TVC is in front of the signal path?

If you listen to the active alone, versus the TVC > Active, what differences do you hear?

So this is a Step up tranformer for the preamp?


Tim

 

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1008 on: 14 Feb 2007, 10:53 pm »
dodo,
  I use the TVC XLR ins and outs with a Levinson CDP with outstanding results.  It is a step up in transparency from using the RCA inputs and outputs with this player, imo.

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1009 on: 14 Feb 2007, 11:05 pm »
Hey guys,
       
Connected my active to TVC last night.Was not prepared for results.My active is not transformed coupled so I thought it would be just OK.
    It was NOT GOOD it was VERY GOOD.I can only imagine what it will sound like with the Promitheus preamp.If the transformer based preamp or other preamps as Nicholas suggested sound BETTER than go for it.I was quite shocked to hear the gestalt in the music as well as the clarity and transparency of the TVC.WOW!
    Ray,did you try this with the Supertrack yet? Let us know what you think.
rollo

PS I could not set my active to unity gain as it was just to loud.I settled on half way up.

Rollo,

Which way and how do you connect the TVC before or after the Active Preamp from the sources (CDP and/or DAC)?  :duh:

Regards,
Tan

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1010 on: 15 Feb 2007, 01:32 am »
What would be the benefit of using Nick's new tube preamp with the TVC as compared with the TVC alone...I already like the TVC than any tube pre I had, including the excellent Jeff Korneff 6SN7 preamp...

Any insights on what advantage using his tubage with TVC should bring"?

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1011 on: 15 Feb 2007, 01:51 am »
I hope I'm not being an arse here, but I'm too lazy to read the whole thread   :oops:

How are the balanced inputs of the TVC? I'm thinking of trying the balanced outputs of my Cambridge Audio 840C.

Saw the new finish of the TVC (at least to my knowledge  :lol:). Sort of a mid coffee brown with slight matte tone (I think). Conventional finish but still the best looking out of the whole lot. At least it wasn't tacky, the ebony knobs matched well with the looks.

   Using the balanced outs on the CDP is moot unless you have IC runs of great length.Due to the configuration of the laser assembly and transfer circuitry the signal is not truly balanced.
    The balanced outs from pre to amp will provide a lower noise floor don't be concerned about CDP.
      This is not my opinion,Ralph Karsten of Atmosphere explained this to me in more detail.However this is all you need to know.Single ended should work just fine.
rollo

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1012 on: 15 Feb 2007, 02:00 am »
What would be the benefit of using Nick's new tube preamp with the TVC as compared with the TVC alone...I already like the TVC than any tube pre I had, including the excellent Jeff Korneff 6SN7 preamp...

Any insights on what advantage using his tubage with TVC should bring"?


I'm thinking this is not a magic bullet for all..Though I could be wrong. This is basically a tubed buffer from the description. I can see the advantages of this if your amplifier and or speakers are not very sensitive and could benefit from the extra gain. At the present, I favor the TVC without any thing between it and the amplifier.

My friend who uses the same unit with different gear could very well benefit from the tubed buffer/ tubed preamp.

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« Reply #1013 on: 15 Feb 2007, 02:02 am »
Guys,
  The TVC goes before the preamp.Tried it both ways and preferred before as Nicholas suggested.
    The difference in sound was this;TVC alone=transparent but lacking gestalt[body]  Active=Body and soul galore but lose transparency and clarity Both TVC and active=Clarity,transparency,gestalt,soul basically all you could ask for.
    The unique thing about nicks' active that it is transformer coupled with the correct gain for this purpose.
     I only listened to the combo for 15 minutes.Tomorrow an extended listening session will conclude my opinion.

rollo   

  PS  GHM is correct a buffer it is.

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1014 on: 15 Feb 2007, 02:14 am »
Is Nick's active pre still in the prototype stage or is it ready for sale?  Thanks

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1015 on: 15 Feb 2007, 02:35 am »
Wow, TVC plus active pre sounds very promising.

I have had a transformer compliment for the Electra-Print Ultrapath preamp and was concerned that using an active circuit after the TVC might diminish something. Apparently not so with the right implementation. Exciting!

I'm assuming that if Nick's OT tube circuit is used with the TVC, it would be best to use the single-stranded TVC transformers?

Best,
KT

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Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1016 on: 15 Feb 2007, 03:26 am »
Quoting Rollo.  "Using the balanced outs on the CDP is moot unless you have IC runs of great length.Due to the configuration of the laser assembly and transfer circuitry the signal is not truly balanced."   

This is incorrect at least in regard to the CDP I use.


The Mark Levinson No.390S is fully balanced in both the analog and digital domains. Information from the disc and single-ended digital inputs are immediately converted to balanced signals and routed to balanced DACs by way of an LVDS (Low Voltage Differential Signal) receiver. This design technique, borrowed from separate Mark Levinson digital processors, preserves the faultless timing of the digital audio signal made possible by our CLJR system mentioned above.

Design of the fully balanced DAC/analog output module follows the Mark Levinson tradition of rigorous component selection. An unusual hybrid design approach incorporating both advanced Surface-Mount and "through-hole" technologies, allows us to utilize the optimum part at each location in the circuit, without the constraints on parts selection normally associated with traditional PCB assembly practices. Every active device has been painstakingly selected for top technical performance, with final selections of top performing devices determined by numerous, controlled sonic evaluations.

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You guys need to get a room.
« Reply #1017 on: 15 Feb 2007, 03:41 am »
I mean really, you need your own room in owners circle.

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Re: You guys need to get a room.
« Reply #1018 on: 15 Feb 2007, 03:52 am »
I mean really, you need your own room in owners circle.

Agree 100%. This thread is getting too many responses and it's tough for a newcomer to digest 100+ pages of discussion.  :lol:

Whitese

Re: Promitheus TVC passive preamp anyone?
« Reply #1019 on: 15 Feb 2007, 03:54 am »
i just hope that tubed contraption isnt too expensive...:-)