What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #80 on: 28 Jul 2006, 02:39 pm »
What's most interesting at this stage of the thread is the stunning and unexplained reversal in MM's tone.

I wouldn't agree it's the *most* interesting, but it's all in your perspective.

As far as the change in tone re: Jeff of Resolution Audio, I asked MM about it last night, and IMO there is a valid reason for the change.  Whether or not MM chooses to disclose the reason is his decision to make.

Even so, I've seen no "reversal" in his tone regarding his analysis of the OPUS or questioning of Olive.  His tone has mellowed as he's calmed down, but he hasn't backed away from his published findings. 

To me, that these issues exist was and is the interesting part of this thread.  The rest is more like a soap opera.

95bcwh

Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #81 on: 28 Jul 2006, 02:44 pm »
Quote from: tvad4

What's most interesting at this stage of the thread is the stunning and unexplained reversal in MM's tone.

I don't blame you for not knowing the reason behind MM's tone. But having personally deal with MM, he's someone that always get excited about finding the truth. His language can be blunt when he's pissed. However, he's not a bad person with any bad motive, if you offend him and piss him off today, he may react angrily, but if you apologise to him the next day, he will forget everything that has been said and become your good friend again.

I won't be surprised if this is what happened behind the scene, between MM and Jeff.




PhilNYC

Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #82 on: 28 Jul 2006, 03:07 pm »
The last thing I want to do is get involved in this, but IMHO Jeff seems pretty under-represented here.  Just wanted to point out that Jeff has worked with other companies before, most notably Ayre, BAT, and DNM, providing engineering design work to their products.  His track record seems to support the notion that he is indeed "good people" when you talk to the folks from those companies...

(disclosure: I'm a former Resolution Audio dealer and really like their products.  Stopped being a dealer for reasons not related to product quality and relationship with Jeff)

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #83 on: 28 Jul 2006, 03:20 pm »
I haven't done business with MauiMods, but if this expose is intended to boost MauiMods' image as a professional audio company, I think it has failed.

Confusing to read and poorly written, this report lacks credulity.

tvad4,
since you are pointing out others flaws, i thought i would ask if your credibility is compromised since you spelled credibility wrong yourself ??? you want to ignore the real message over the way something was written.
i have done business with MAUIMODS and one thing they are not out for is SELF PROMOTION. they are after the truth and this really showed  by identifying a major flaw in the opus. it now appears that this flaw was known by the company and others. it was decided to be concealed from the consumer. i believe we should be grateful that a company like MAUIMODS informed everyone of this, before many of the opus units were sold.

regards

bill

Um...you may want to grab a dictionary and look-up credulity.

thats fair. i did not think that self deception , delusion, superstition and infatuation was accurate.  these allegations were supported by a picture of what MAUIMODS was describing. i did not find any delusion or superstition with the support of a picture to back up his findings. i would say it was CREDIBLE. ( how's that ) i stand corrected on the spelling issue.

regards

bill

leahy582000

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #84 on: 28 Jul 2006, 03:28 pm »
What's most interesting at this stage of the thread is the stunning and unexplained reversal in MM's tone.

I wouldn't agree it's the *most* interesting, but it's all in your perspective.

As far as the change in tone re: Jeff of Resolution Audio, I asked MM about it last night, and IMO there is a valid reason for the change.  Whether or not MM chooses to disclose the reason is his decision to make.

Even so, I've seen no "reversal" in his tone regarding his analysis of the OPUS or questioning of Olive.  His tone has mellowed as he's calmed down, but he hasn't backed away from his published findings. 

To me, that these issues exist was and is the interesting part of this thread.  The rest is more like a soap opera.

i totally agree with you. i have talked to MM as well during the beginning of his adventure with the opus. the real issue is in his findings.

jhm731

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« Reply #85 on: 28 Jul 2006, 04:52 pm »
All of this causes me to wonder why Hermstedt has never added a larger harddrive or other audio DAC board(s) to their Hifidelio products.  Is anybody fluent in German? :dunno: 

Good point, you should ask them, here's their email address:

info@hermstedt.de

Ask them for jitter specs on the SPDIF output too.

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #86 on: 28 Jul 2006, 05:56 pm »
The last thing I want to do is get involved in this, but IMHO Jeff seems pretty under-represented here.  Just wanted to point out that Jeff has worked with other companies before, most notably Ayre, BAT, and DNM, providing engineering design work to their products.  His track record seems to support the notion that he is indeed "good people" when you talk to the folks from those companies...

(disclosure: I'm a former Resolution Audio dealer and really like their products.  Stopped being a dealer for reasons not related to product quality and relationship with Jeff)

Phil, As I stated in my re-opening of my post, Jeff has nothing to do with the Olive Product they released in to market.
Olive is sloley responsibe for it's  marketing,   ;c)

So please Lets keep Jeff and his company and other third parties names out of this Marketing hypXXX  oops!  ... issue.

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #87 on: 28 Jul 2006, 07:45 pm »
Wow...I was very busy yesterday and did not make it onto AC to see what's happening.  I cannot believe that I missed out on 10 pages of forum discussions, which hit so close to home.

DHL was at my home this morning, to deliver my Opus, which was part of the Group Purchase.  Nobody was home to receive package and it was not left (signature required.)

I cannot be the only other person (besides JC) that ordered an Opus. 

I would love to hear from those who have purchased and received their Opus...
How does it sound via analog outputs?
Has anyone tried using it as a transport to an external DAC?

This is a very disturbing thread.  Opus owners, please chime in.

Anthony, please keep us posted on any replies that you receive from Olive


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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #88 on: 28 Jul 2006, 08:27 pm »
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So please Lets keep Jeff and his company and other third parties names out of this Marketing hypXXX  oops!  ... issue.
MauiMods, you were the one to bring Jeff into the discussion with your first post in this thread.

Am I the only one confused by the apparent politics at play here?

No you're not. This has to be one of the most convuluted pieces of back tracking in the history of AC.

PhilNYC

Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #89 on: 28 Jul 2006, 08:30 pm »
BarrelChief...just hook it up and listen.  If you like what you hear, then no problems, right?  8)

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #90 on: 28 Jul 2006, 08:44 pm »
Yes, please tell me how and why you dragged Resolution Audio into this?  Frankly, not only are your communication skills atrocious, but you also appear to have purchased an item using very bad judgement, without doing your homework, and it appears you then want to lay the blame on someone else.

Young man, if you take a risk, don't invest more than you are prepared to lose. 

MauiMods

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #91 on: 28 Jul 2006, 09:11 pm »
Yes, please tell me how and why you dragged Resolution Audio into this?  Frankly, not only are your communication skills atrocious, but you also appear to have purchased an item using very bad judgement, without doing your homework, and it appears you then want to lay the blame on someone else.

Young man, if you take a risk, don't invest more than you are prepared to lose. 

Young man, they declined their own 15 day return policy. They voided all warranties. on New unopened products. My Homework was based from Marketing Hype, and Lies.
It appears you do not have any idea about me, and to anything related to this thread.
I do not know the laws in your country, But in the USA we have laws and rights that protect.

PhilNYC

Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #92 on: 28 Jul 2006, 09:30 pm »

Phil, Is your buying decisions of lines you choose to carry, based on a quality products, that walk the talk?
Or is it strickly based on Margin?
Because that comment you made as a dealer, reflects poorly upon yourself.

I sell what I want to own for myself.  And I base what I want to own for myself mostly on whether I like the way it sounds or not (the other criteria being build-quality and how easy the manufacturers are to work with).  For example, Resolution Audio has the worst dealer margin in the high end industry, yet I was an RA dealer for 3 years because I loved the way the Opus 21 sounded in my system and Jeff was easy to work.  Another example is Blue Circle...standard industry margin, but it takes 2-3 months to get a product built (they are hand-made by the designer, and only built when a customer order is placed), so its not like I can make a ton of money asking customers to wait 3 months for a product.  But I love the way it sounds, and Gilbert is the best manufacturer to work with bar none.

How does that reflect poorly on me?  I thought it was a good idea to only sell stuff that I believe in...   :scratch:

PhilNYC

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« Reply #93 on: 28 Jul 2006, 09:44 pm »

You just hit your own nail on it's head!
You liked Resolution and choosed to sell it.
But since the Margin was very slim,  :(
you dropped the line and Picked up Blue circle,
That had standard industry margins. :P

Oh please, I hope your joking... :roll:


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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #94 on: 28 Jul 2006, 10:57 pm »
I just had a few people over for a listen.
NOT GOOD.

The sound quality is like a PA speakers in a phone booth.
no soundstage, no depth, very fatiguing...
On a positive note, The Opus, can make you appreciate your system more, before you got the OPUS.
Before the OPUS, while listening to my Systems. My speakers disappeared in the room.
Now it is like PA's horn speakers aimed at my head.

 They above phenomena from my experience, is due to high jittered data.

BTW:  this was duplicated with both analog, and Digital out.

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #95 on: 28 Jul 2006, 11:02 pm »
My question is did MauiMods just get a bad batch or were all of the OPUS units built with whatever was laying around the shop?

JoshK

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« Reply #96 on: 28 Jul 2006, 11:14 pm »
You just hit your own nail on it's head!
You liked Resolution and choosed to sell it.
But since the Margin was very slim,  :(
you dropped the line and Picked up Blue circle,
That had standard industry margins. :P
My main concern is giving my customers the best Advice. Regardless If I sell it or not.

You lost serious cred in my view when you went after Phil on this one.  You know not of what you speak.  We (the NYAR) know Phil for a very long time, he has easy spent more money on GTGs for the NYAR than he will ever benefit from sales from the NYAR.  He runs his dealership as a side biz never expecting to support his family off it, buys and sells what he believes in.   Yeah he dropped RA but not to pick up BC...do your homework, they don't sell the same shit.  He was a dealer of both for the whole time he was a dealer for RA, he may or may not have dropped RA (don't know) but it was only to pick up a manuf that he felt was more suitable to his customers.  I don't think he ever did well selling RA b/c it wasn't right for his customers. 

So what is your axe exactly?  Why did you decide to spar with Phil?   :scratch:   Yeah I am more of a analytical type and Phil is not, but still I'd never back you in this fight.  I hope you are just grouchy because you haven't slept over the Opus fiasco and are not serious about this matter or your reputation is up for debate.

Truly,
Josh

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #97 on: 28 Jul 2006, 11:19 pm »
Only met him once, but Phil was a more than gracious host and a terrific guy... definitely not deserving of any bashing about greedy margin hunting. You might be angry, and you very well might have good reason, but it should be focused in a better direction than at Phil.

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Re: What OLIVE dont want you to know about the OPUS....
« Reply #98 on: 28 Jul 2006, 11:27 pm »
My question is did MauiMods just get a bad batch or were all of the OPUS units built with whatever was laying around the shop?

I think this is the reason for the Delay in shipping the unit.
It was a problem known. Tried to find A walk around. and failed, then shipped anyways...
Inside info; that it was known the SPIDF was BAD, but they figured 99% of Olive OPUS user will use the DAC section, not the Digital.
This is the reason they never published the SPIDF jitter specs.

But yet, they "tapped" in to the Jitterized  SPIDF to feed data to the "added in"  DAC card.
This is a rather crude way. The proper way would be, to add a 10 cent buffer to the spidf "out" from the AC97 chip.

Overall the whole design was a compromise.

If the German manufacture designed the board using quality DAC and ADC such as AKM,
with HQ clock circuitry and such, it would be a NON-compromised design.....

Look at the data sheet for the OPUS. Its like the Holly GRAIL in Audio.
Meanwhile, it's a bunch of lies.

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« Reply #99 on: 28 Jul 2006, 11:36 pm »
Anthony

Took a look at your website. Its a bit vauge. What products do you work on other then tact?