Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!

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GHM

Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« on: 10 Jul 2006, 10:38 pm »
Well here I go again looking for another toy! :roll:

Honestly.. I've been thinking of a way to solve my impedance problem with my Audio Sector integrated and the soon to be finished 50 wpc battery powered T-amp integrated with 4k ohm stepped attenuator using my NOS Dac. I've combed the net looking for a solution. It has been tough to find exactly what I need. With the help of George aka giorgino1 I've located a underground supply of goodies!!

I've heard what a NOS Dac can benefit from when used with a buffer. Specifically one with no op amps used with a passive volume control. I've also heard whimpy outputs from other digital sources benefit from the same thing. The question is finding a worthy unit to do this job without the addition of an extra volume control. And the biggie!!!... without totally breaking the bank.

I know there are several members that use the NOS Dacs..like Monica, 47 Labs..etc that are passive I/V conversion like my Dac.
I wanted to let them know and others that may be in the market for such a device, that this may be a good place to start.. if you don't use an active preamp.

I'm still waiting for my unit to arrive, which should be here by the end of the week from Australia. So no impressions just yet. I being a very impatient person didn't want to wait for a unit to be built. So I bought a 240v version with balanced inputs. Easy fix... one of the builders said he would throw in the adapters for free. I picked up a step up/down converter for $26.00 including shipping.

As far as I know there will be only two of these units in the United States within this week. Mine and another purchased by a fellow one day prior. The rest are scattered across the globe. The Burson guys have become back logged as they're a small DIY group. The wait on these units has started. I was told the wait is 3 to 4 weeks on a finished Burson Audio HDAM buffer. For the DIY guys this shouldn't be a problem as they can build the units from scratch using the available components.

The unit doesn't come with a power cord. So I picked one up from Volex(Mouser) for $18.00. For what the units sell for I wouldn't expect a PC anyway. From reading up on the design philosophy..the unit's quality to cost ratio is excellent!

Here's a few web sites for your reading pleasure.
Burson Audio HDAM module and buffers review
Burson Audio HDAM module and buffers

I'll keep the people that are interested ...informed of the progress.


All the Best
« Last Edit: 20 Jul 2006, 07:55 pm by GHM »

Rocket

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffers about to hit the U.S.
« Reply #1 on: 11 Jul 2006, 01:52 am »
Hi,

I recently read the tnt audio review regarding burson products.  Seems interesting but as i'm not a diy electronics guru i don't really understand what some of the products do.  The super clock may find a home in one of my cdps.

Please let us know what this project turns out.

Regards

Rod

GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffers about to hit the U.S.
« Reply #2 on: 11 Jul 2006, 03:11 am »
Hi Rod..believe me I totally understand where your coming from. I'm not a DIY guru either. I'll fiddle with crossovers a little but I'll leave the hardcore stuff up to the experts. That's why I bought the unit already complete. Just plug and play! :lol:

IMHO the super clocks have their place but the power supply mods are where its at to get the most out of these units. Think about it..you can have the most powerful engine possible in your car. If you don't have a transmission to get the power to the wheels... you have nothing. I look at this stuff the same way..got to have a decent output stage on your source or you'll miss some of the sound. No ifs, ands or buts about it. The super clock is just icing on the cake.

I will certainly keep you up to date.

GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #3 on: 20 Jul 2006, 08:30 pm »
OK the Burson unit finally showed itself. Boy..I tell you guys the only caveat to buying on-line is the waiting!! It drives me nuts!! :lol:

I'll let this thing cook for about 8 hours(5 to go) before I give any real impressions. I have a Monarchy 48/96 DIP coming tomorrow so I can compare it to the Basic DIP..which is outstanding in my little system!

Guys the DIP is a must have for NOS Dac users and some none NOS users..without a doubt! You'll quickly realize what you've been missing once you drop one in. This will also cause some people to have second thoughts concerning the debate that transports don't make a huge difference in sound .I should know, I use to be one of them. :lol:

GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #4 on: 23 Jul 2006, 11:42 pm »



Here's a couple of pics of the buffer closer up. Honestly I can't see how these guys profit off the buffer at all! The BV audio Sound Refiner cost $145 more. I've used it in the past... it works pretty well. But it's absolutely no competition for this Aussie unit. This is not a boutique unit..there are little flaws here and there. ..Personally I could care less. As the attention to detail and inside build quality is unmatched by any unit remotely close in price. A wild guess..I would say a unit like this in the U.S. would cost 2 to 3 times as much retail.

It's been cooking for roughly 80 hours. The unit has a sweetness to it. Not a tube sound but a solid state pure class A sort of sweetness. So far VERY good!
The unit is EXTREMELY transparent. I would go as far as saying, I've heard cables get more in the way of the music. With my ear against the driver there's no noise to speak of..no hiss,hum,static..zilch!!!

Gordy

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #5 on: 24 Jul 2006, 02:03 am »
Thanks for the update GHM!  Please post any further impressions you have in the future as I'm most interested in their discrete output and super reg. kits, some very tempting mods there for dac's, amps etc!!!

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Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #6 on: 24 Jul 2006, 02:25 am »
uhh... thats the same case the Lite Audio DAC-AH comes in  (minus the Lite Audio Silkscreening).

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!

GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #7 on: 24 Jul 2006, 02:45 am »
Hi Gordy and Doug,

I'll be posting some more impressions very soon. If the rest of their gear sounds like this. I can tell you... you won't regret a purchase. If your into natural, open and balanced sound... You'll love it!

Hell ..they could put these components in a coffee can and I would still buy them!! :lol:

Gordy

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #8 on: 24 Jul 2006, 02:55 am »
uhh... thats the same case the Lite Audio DAC-AH comes in  (minus the Lite Audio Silkscreening).

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!

Same case as the old Audio Mirror too, I think... 

GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #9 on: 25 Jul 2006, 12:07 am »
I do remember reading on the Burson site, that the guys got a deal on some chassis for the buffer through a company. As long as the savings are past on to the buyer..this is great! :D

OK well I have over 100 hours on the buffer. It should be well burned in as it does run in Class A. The buffer will not make something out of nothing. There has to be a good source from the beginning. Using it with my modified Pioneer's analog outputs which I admit I've never liked. The buffer adds more fullness and size to the soundscape. It will not make up for an imbalanced sound to begin with. The Pioneer seems to be missing the extreme highs and the lows..leaving only midrange. It also has a low voltage output when run directly into the passive volume control. No..the buffer didn't make up for the imbalance. It did make the Pioneer more listenable.

The Burson buffer doesn't glaze or sugar coat the sound. It has a fullness that's like tubes without the bloom. When used with the NOS Dac the sound is much more open with a sense of ease. Voices float higher than before. There's a greater meat factor here. I'm more able to focus on the voices and instruments separately. The Pops, snaps and growl of the guitars are all there.The whack of a hand on the wood of the guitar comes across in full colour. Percussions also exhibit more of that meat factor. If you're looking for HiFi sound..this ain't it! The music isn't highlighted in any one part of the spectrum. There's more of a balanced layering...which I really dig!!

I asked my wife tonight what she thought of the sound. Keep in mind..I never tell her when I'm buying my next component or whether it's in the system. :lol:

The words out of her mouth were" It sounds more acoustic". "I hear everything more clearly defined and open".
I had a big grin on my face..as I'd already heard the same things. No longer is the music just around the speakers. It gets out and away from the speakers.

As a side note I was told by one of the designers that the buffer's input impedance is 44k ohms to 47k ohms.

This is off topic...during this time I've also been experimenting with the Monarchy DIPs. One basic version and the other the 48/96 up-sampling. What I heard when I added the upsampler to the 1543 NON oversampling dac was pure magic. Now I have the larger and more focused sound of up-sampling with the nonfatiguing organic sound of the NOS. There is also more stability in the soundstage...Imaging has improved greatly!!

I've learned in the last week that these type of dacs are EXTREMELY sensitive to jitter and signal strength. Feed them a strong signal and low jitter ..and listen to them open up like never before. Before the Dac would sometimes have a hard time keeping things separated on complex passages. That isn't the case at the present time. It sounds like I took the limiters off and let her run wide open! For anyone using the older chip dacs..the Monarchy DIP 48/96 or the GW labs unit is a must have. Especially if the source is not an expensive highend transport.

I've had a lot of fun over the last week or so. I hope others get a chance to try out the Burson buffer and maybe the upsampler if the system can fit them in. At the present time this is the best my system has sounded. After spending several weeks with Lonewolf's ECD-1..which I still consider cream of the crop one box dacs I've heard. The addition of the two components have brought me very close to the performance I heard from this Dac.


Good listening!
« Last Edit: 25 Jul 2006, 12:25 am by GHM »

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Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #10 on: 25 Jul 2006, 12:20 pm »

Here's a few web sites for your reading pleasure.
Burson Audio HDAM module and buffers review
Burson Audio HDAM module and buffers


Here are some more links regarding this miracle module...

a suspect Burson thread on diyaudio.com

and another suspect Burson thread on diyaudio.com

...these threads are being looked into as potential illicit self-promotion by a company....
 :oops:



GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #11 on: 25 Jul 2006, 08:09 pm »
Thanks sas for the links. I ran across these nearly two weeks ago. :roll: It didn't detour me from trying the little Aussie buffer out. I certainly have no stakes in the game. After all I'm on the other side of the world. :lol:

There will always be some attempt to bring a dark cloud over a good product. I've taken the plunge and don't regret it one bit. If you let that detour you...it will certainly be your loss. As far as self promotion..just look at the AC website. This board in its own way is self promotion..is it not? Hopefully others get a chance to use one in the system..that way they can see and hear for themselves what the fuss is about.

For a poster with 33 posts total. I find your agenda puzzling?

Good listening!

« Last Edit: 25 Jul 2006, 11:35 pm by GHM »

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Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #12 on: 25 Jul 2006, 09:35 pm »
Thanks sas for the links. I ran across these nearly two weeks ago. :roll: It didn't detour me from trying the little Aussie buffer out. I certainly have no stakes in the game. After all I'm on the other side of the world. :lol:

There will always be someone attempt to bring a dark cloud over a good product. I've taken the plunge and don't regret it one bit. If you let that detour you...it will certainly be your loss. As far as self promotion..just look at the AC website. This board in its own way is self promotion..is it not? Hopefully others get a chance to use one in the system..that way they can see and hear for themselves what the fuss is about.

For a poster with 33 posts total. I find your agenda puzzling?

Good listening!

Apols GHM -- but my agenda was only to point out something suspect, and not anything about the modules themselves. Indeed there is alot of self promotion on AC, but this particular site is partly designed for that purpose. Once again, apols for being over-zealous...



GHM

Re: Burson Audio HDAM buffer has arrived!!!!
« Reply #13 on: 25 Jul 2006, 11:24 pm »
No problem my friend...I'm enjoying this gadget and the 48/96 DIP so much it's not really that big of a deal for me. If you communicated with Alex..one of the designers of the Burson components. You would quickly realize this is one down to earth guy. All of these guys have regular jobs. They do this stuff for fun. It's not a business they depend on as a main source of income. Ask yourself how many companies will build a unit for you on request and complete it before they ask for a dime?

 Alex is one of the nicest audio component builders I have communicated with. He told me there's no real money in this for him or the other fellows. Their only goal is to make a connection with audiophiles like myself all over the globe. Truly there's no doubt in my mind once people hear what this thing can do. The Burson Group will become a very well known name. I'm sure the prices will also go up..like everything else.

This is the funniest part of the hobby for me. Discovering obscure companies and being one of the first to try them out. So far so good! :thumb:

If a company packaged this buffer in a thick chrome chassis. Dropped it in a mega buck system..it would sell for many times more than the present cost. If you're lucky enough to try one out..you'll understand completely.

All the best