My highest compliments to Van Alstine

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warnerwh

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« on: 24 May 2006, 09:39 pm »
This company has been around it as long as I can remember which is back in the early 70's.  Van Alstine gear has never had the reputation of the mega dollar electronics.

In my opinion this is a shame. I believe it has to do with the appearance of the pieces Frank has designed.  We have an engineer doing the cosmetic design work. To me I really could care but appearances do make impressions on people. This could psychologically affect someone's perception of sound whether or not they care to admit it.  

This is of course only my opinion. I do believe I can state with fair certainty that the AVA 550 Rev 5 I purchased a few weeks ago is one of the best power amps money can buy.  No I've not owned megadollar gear but have heard it through megadollar speakers.

In my room with my Vmps RM 40's the AVA amp is the cleanest, most timbre accurate with the best specificity in imaging I've owned. Before this amp I was using an Innersound ESL which is actually a Coda(old Threshold engineers design).  The ESL is raved about at the Planar Asylum at AA and was awarded Editors Choice by Absolute Sound magazine a few years ago. It truly is an excellent amp.  It's been used as a reference by at least a couple of reviewers in the past.

The 550 has more body and soul than the ESL amp.  Those of you know how accurate the RM 40's are know that they will let you hear the smallest changes in your system. Amps typically don't change dramatically the sound in my system, or most other people's for that matter. The AVA amp is truly a full step above anything else I'm used to hearing.

I've thoroughly examined the build/assembly quality. It's as good as anything I've owned including a couple of Krell pre's I've owned which we know is very expensive.  It's as well made as Audio Research that I've owned too.

This means that we're not paying for bull shit that these big companies insist on charging.  They are over rated and hyped by the media.  I don't blame the companies or the media. Just advising that an educated consumer is his or her own best friend.

I guess there's a good reason why these are rarely for sale. They sound better than any SS amp I've heard period. My system sounds as good or better than any system I've heard ever. The AVA 550 took it to a leve that I think would be nearly impossible to surpass.  

There's really no serious criticism of the amp I can find. I've owned it only for a month I think but listen daily for an hour or two or three.  I didn't want to say anything until I'd had time to just spend listening.  For 2,200 new it's a killer bargain.

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« Reply #1 on: 24 May 2006, 10:28 pm »
I agree....I couldn't care less how the things look. All I care about is the sound. I've been waiting patiently for the day when I can call up Frank and place an order for his Ultra DAC and whatever preamp he recommends, I just have to be patient a little longer for 'life' to settle down on my end. I have a feeling my new DeVore Super 8s are going to mate famously with the Van Alstine stuff...can't wait :)

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« Reply #2 on: 24 May 2006, 11:00 pm »
I think part of the "problem" has been Frank's curmudgeonlyness.  At least that's what some other folks call it.  Frank has always been honest with his opinions, and many of those opinions call into question the value of a number of the products that advertise in the name magazines like TAS and $phile.  And I reckon Frank has not pumped as much advertizing dough into those magazines as other companies.  

On the one hand, it's a shame that Frank has not gotten the recognition he truly deserves for producing a world class product line at an affordable cost.  On the other hand, those of us who learned about Frank early have been exceedingly fortunate to get personal attention, outstanding advice and products designed to our own needs.

I've got the 350 EXR and am exceedingly happy with it.

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« Reply #3 on: 24 May 2006, 11:16 pm »
Quote from: warnerwh
This company has been around it as long as I can remember which is back in the early 70's.  Van Alstine gear has never had the reputation of the mega dollar electronics.

In my opinion this is a shame. I believe it has to do with the appearance of the pieces Frank has designed.  We have an engineer doing the cosmetic design work. To me I really could care but appearances do make impressions on people. This could psychologically affect someone's perception of sound whether or not they care to admit it.  
 ...


Glad to see that you are enjoying your system and that amp change brought it to a new level.

Wouldn't it be nice if that happened all the time?

george

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« Reply #4 on: 25 May 2006, 12:04 am »
Franks T7ECR preamp is another of his fine products. I've had mine for about 10 months and except for tube issues I think it is the best preamp I have owned.

                          Cheers
                         Charlie

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« Reply #5 on: 25 May 2006, 12:35 am »
I hate to name names at the expense of leaving some great ones out- but Frank should really be in the audio 'hall of fame' along with many others. A few names would be Kloss; Allison; Fried; Hafler; Pass; Grado; Hillig; McCormack; Johnson; Palkovic; Curl;..............

c'mon-help me here..... :oops:

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« Reply #6 on: 25 May 2006, 12:48 am »
I remember the bickering between Frank and Peter Aczel in the early 80's.  Frank's particular demeanor is often not compatible with the press and, this is by no means a criticism.  On the other hand, its a complement when one doesn't not bow to the media just to get a few lines of good press.

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« Reply #7 on: 25 May 2006, 12:51 am »
....and Klipsch; Marantz; Sanders; Hayes; Weisfield; Barber; Gandy;

ah....., hell..... :cry:

 :?:

WEEZ :bowdown:

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« Reply #8 on: 25 May 2006, 01:20 am »
...Shahinian...

...who perhaps has been even more ignored by the audio press than Frank, and for much the same reasons. Too honest, with products that put too many higher priced alternatives to shame.

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« Reply #9 on: 25 May 2006, 02:34 am »
Thanks nice friends.

It is you people that motavate me to keep this business going.

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« Reply #10 on: 25 May 2006, 02:47 am »
I am full of respect for Frank's "curmudgeon-ness"!  He is in the admirable
position to have some choice in who he selects as customers.  Tweaker cable and other audio product "magic" oriented audiophiles probably won't want to buy his equipment and that's fine with Frank!  
Awesome.

Hey Frank, I've got a pair of VMPS RM40's and I live real close.  
I am willing to drag them over and set them up at your place--but you have to listen to both speakers, and then please post what you hear here on Audiocircle.
Many of the Audiocircle people would like to hear your opinion on these fine speakers.

Let me know if you're interested,

Skynyrd

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« Reply #11 on: 25 May 2006, 03:04 am »
Now wouldn't THAT be interesting. I highly doubt that Frank will take you up on the public posting part, but who knows? It might be a good idea to have a listen though, as there's no substitute for experience. And if anyone knows this, I'm sure it's crusty ol' Frank. No offence ment here, all in fun.

warnerwh

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« Reply #12 on: 25 May 2006, 04:19 am »
I think Frank's being something of a curmudgeon is just his honesty showing.  Obviously it's not money motivated.  Brian at Vmps can come across the same way.  In both cases the products belie the price. I kept recommending people try the AVA gear although having not tried it myself due to the fact he's been in business a very long time and alot of good is said about the products.  You don't last in this business without a quality product, good price and intelligence.

Being more of an objectivist things like power cords I don't care about. Fancy faceplates don't impress me either but can be an indicator of what's inside sometimes.  Then again look at great looking women, sometimes upon opening their mouths the truth comes out. No offense toward any women as this works both ways.

The comparison between the Salk speakers and the RM 40's I will hear for myself in a few months.  Someone came over a while back to hear how the AVA 550 sounded on my speakers who has a pair of HT3's being built. I could tell he was very impressed with the RM 40's btw.  With all the great user feedback on the Salk's I'd like to hear them because I always enjoy hearing a great product that is very reasonably priced.

Both speakers though are designed quite differently so will of course sound different. I've heard alot of speakers in this price range and they all sound different from one another. It's really a personal preference on which sound you like the best.  I suspect the Salk's are also a bargain for the money, no dealers and no advertising budget to pay for.

Skynard: If you've not tried an AVA hybrid with your speakers you probably should.  I remember Brian saying Tyson's RM 40's were the best sounding he'd heard in a customers home. I'd say Brian has an excellent ear too.

I've heard it many times that tubes and ribbons are magical.  The 550 isn't really tubey sounding but has attributes of a tube amp. I once remember reading I believe it was Frank saying the 550 will make your cd's sound better. I also remember thinking yeah, right.

My mistake. I'd never heard an amp like this. I've heard tube amps and SS amps.  This amp is different, losing nothing I can tell to either camp.  Wish I knew why but it's got a sound of it's own that is distinct and lovely.

Being a curmudgeon must have it's virtues.  Honesty and integrity to name two.  It's actually like a breath of fresh air after all the B.S. and hype that goes on.  After 30+ years in this hobby the hype is at times enough to gag me.  

George: The AVA 550 is a special amp.  You should try it with your Salk's.  Frank will give you your money back if it's not to your taste and if it is you will have probably saved some money.  I'm suspecting the Salk's also have an excellent transient response and are extremely revealing. This is where the AVA will shine.  

And you're correct that it would be nice having a nice step up in sound quality happened all the time. At this point I don't see it getting much better than this, at least for home audio in my smallish room.  Plus I'd like to say I'm done with my system for some time.  My SO tells me when I say that is when I buy something new, so I won't.  But a better dac would be nice and my birthday is coming up :wink:

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« Reply #13 on: 25 May 2006, 04:45 am »
I guess my highest compliment that I can give is that I now find myself in front of the stereo more often than the TV.  The stereo/TV ratio was completely the opposite before I owned an AVA FetValve amp.

Keep up the great work Frank!

Tom

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« Reply #14 on: 25 May 2006, 10:13 am »
I absolutely do want to hear those RM40s here.  Are they latest ones with the new waveguides?  And of coure I will report my take on them here.

Call me at 651-330-9871 to set up a time.

I do have to report that the Salk HT-3s keep sounding better and better and better so they will be difficult to top. However, anything is possible (except frozen CDs).

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« Reply #15 on: 25 May 2006, 12:57 pm »
Frank- might wanna go here and scroll down to "tuning the speakers". Doesn't all that sound like a pain in the arse?

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« Reply #16 on: 25 May 2006, 05:38 pm »
And Frank - please don't ever allow marketing to trump engineering. Not that you would.

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« Reply #17 on: 25 May 2006, 07:22 pm »
I believe all VMPS speakers are pretuned by Brian before shipping. Even if that were not the case it would be worth it as there is nothing I have heard that can better them. Not even close, as a matter of fact. I have not heard the Salks so perhaps they can but I would be amazed. (Although I am aware of one forum member who sold his RM40s in favor of the Salks so they must be special). It will be interesting to hear Franks comparison between two of the most highly regarded speakers here at the AC.

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« Reply #18 on: 25 May 2006, 08:32 pm »
One thing you guys have missed in this thread.  The number of hybrids coming out now.  I'm sure most of them sound good.  But the fact that Fank has been doing the hybrid thing for so long I have to believe that his designs are at a level of refindment that the other are still shooting for.  I can't wait to upgrade to the Ultra line amp and pre-amp (maybe by July).

warnerwh

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« Reply #19 on: 26 May 2006, 03:49 am »
"One thing you guys have missed in this thread. The number of hybrids coming out now"

There are different hybrids. I owned a Blue Circle BC 24 before the AVA amp. The BC 24 is an excellent amplifier by all counts. I think the list is like 3,500 or something for an 80wpc amp. It also comes with a very nice blue light and a removable power cord.  I'm not dissing the Blue Circle amp as it is an outstanding amp of the highest quality.

The AVA amp doesn't give you a blue light but is 250wpc and the power supply is far superior.  This of course does take into account the AVA amp is rated at more power. It will handle difficult loads better than the Blue Circle amp will.  

The BC 24 had a similar sound only tubier. Not as clean and smoothed the finest resolution over. This is clearly audible on the Vmps ribbons. Overall though I really enjoyed that amp.  I prefer the AVA due to the fact it is more accurate to my ears. Neither amp will hurt your ears at all even with cd's that are less than well recorded.