B200 Open Baffle Dimensions

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Manowar

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B200 Open Baffle Dimensions
« Reply #20 on: 13 Jan 2006, 02:45 am »
I am also interested in open baffle design! how thick of a panel are you using and what does the board above the driver do in the picture of the rear view of the speakers?

Have you seen this OB design? Its on the Visaton site.

http://www.visaton.de/english/artikel/art_829_6_20.html

John

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« Reply #21 on: 13 Jan 2006, 03:37 am »
Hi Mark,

It seems like the B200's in OB configuration is poised for a reincarnation...

Thanks so much for posting your images...your OB's look very nice...

As for WAF...my B200's are mounted on Birch plywood with the edges sanded
round and a simple application of varnish applied...the natural grain of the
glued paneled Birch is very satisfying to look at...and Deb...who is a very well
known designer loves them!!!!!

They look entirely Japanese...an aesthetic we both find  pleasing...

It is a matter of seeing them in a slightly different perspective...if the Japanese
every saw my simple OB they would go quite ga ga over it...of that I am certain...

The next step for me is to design one like yours...perhaps not as high...there were
several contributors to the TGWofaDS thread that felt that the drivers could be
quite close to the floor...better bass reinforcement...although there is the room node
issues...certainly worth experimenting with...

Anyone interested in the use of a subwoofer for this OB should read my thread
ARinS.E.TTA here on the 2 Channel forum...page 9 has the results of
Roger Modjeski's frequency curve test of my B200's on my OB...in the near future
I hope to be able to retrieve more information from further testing...

However let me just add that this is still experimental ground for anyone interested
in this new speaker paradigm...so let's help each other by sharing what we find out...

Thanks again, Mark, for sharing your insights, images and ideas with us...

Warm Regards -Richard-

Russell Dawkins

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« Reply #22 on: 13 Jan 2006, 07:20 am »
Mark,
The fact that your baffles appear to slope upwards from the outside to the inside put me in mind of these OBs using Fertin drivers, called Helix Ton (Tone) of  Heaven. If you click on "Fertin" and scroll down, you will see them, along with some very large and efficient 19" Fertin woofers (105dB/W).

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackforestaudio.com%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8.

then click on "Fertin Story" for another picture of the set up.

mcgsxr

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« Reply #23 on: 13 Jan 2006, 03:05 pm »
Manowar - I am using 3/4 inch mdf for my panels - I added the horizontal board, above the driver, in an effort to increase the distance that the rear wave has to travel, before interacting with the front wave - without adding to the overal H of the panels, since they were already built...  I was simply trying to add more bass.

Richard - you are TOO generous, suggesting that these are in anyway attractive panels - as I recorded in the giant Darkstar thread where we all were sharing some months ago, these are my skunkworks OB's, and I eventually (once I settle on dimensions etc) intend to build some using Baltic Birch ply (void free) and use a simple poly on them - I would bet they will end up similar to your own, but with a less prominent grain.

I have seen the NO BOX design, but was shying away from using a bass driver, for my initial experimentation with this style of speaker.  My personal experience with doing this, leads me to believe that I may end up using a pair of powered subs, in order to get the full response I am looking for.  I am still sorting out what alignment to use for the subs etc, and deciding if I will use some drivers I already have, or will want to invest in something else.

The good news is, that to me, these sound great, so I can stomach their raw appearance, and lack of deep bass, while I play around with completing the design - heck, with a listening room full of concrete and pink isulation, it is pretty hard to stand there and rant that the speakers are what should be finished!

Russell - interesting bass creature you have found, but a wee out of my price point!  Those certainly are examples of a nice implementation of what I was looking for - I simply angled the baffles, to allow for varying distance to the edge of the baffle from each side of the driver, in the hopes that would spread the frequencies that they affect, rather than reinforcing just 1, but having all the distances the same.

It sure is a lot of fun, playing with a $300 source, $400 speakers, and $200 amp!  Ridiculous sound, for the investment - my very good friend, with whom I designed and built some floorstanding 2 ways a couple of years ago, was staggered by the imaging, and realistic sound that the JVC, and these speakers produce.

He has continually asked me about how I am refining these, as he is half interested in setting up a set in his listening room - WAF comes into play though, when you remove some nice oak 2 ways of around 8x10x35, and replace them with these big old Frankenspeakers!

fabaudio

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« Reply #24 on: 13 Jan 2006, 04:05 pm »
mcqsxr

 Many thanks for your input on the JVC's. My ES1 is doing double duty (2ch/5.1HT) because I got sick and tired of fumbling with cables w/ 2 systems. But, on the other hand maybe................
 I'm currently enjoying Omega bipoles which load the room very well. In the near future I might try B200's on plexiglass ( less claustrophobic ). Thanks again.

 Frank

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« Reply #25 on: 13 Jan 2006, 05:25 pm »
Hi Mark,

My woofer thinking for the B200 in OB distillate in this fashion...

Keeping the "sub" woofer as a dipole would be best...to generate that
same incredible sound that the B200 does...in concert with each other...
similar sonic/musical fabric...

However, Roger Modjeski used his own sub incased in wood when I visited
him that was curiously small...it was a simple wood box that wrapped around
his driver very tightly...the effect was that his woofer unit was entirely discreet
looking...very easy on the eyes and simple to integrate in terms of space...
and they sounded incredible...suggesting that the B200's are easy to integrate
subs with...providing they are fast and light...

I am thinking of using an active crossover...perhaps a Rane unit...it would be
easy to dial the crossover point to the amp...in my case a low watt SET tube
amp (I am hoping Roger will build me one of his lower priced 245 SET's soon)
then send the lower frequencies to a plate amplifier that is dedicated to the woofer...

That will take any stress off the SET amp and the B200's to have to generate those
lower frequencies...

The other issue we must all address is the relatively high crossover point that
the B200 need...perhaps as high as 260 to 300 Hz...please see the intial frequency
curve Roger and I did with my B200's on page 9 of ARinS.E.T.TA...

Your basement does not look too bad at all Mark...a bit of paint sprayed around
would take care of most of your surfaces...temporarily at least...until you get
around to any refinements...

Let's stay in touch...

Warm Regards -Richard-