Preliminary Thoughts - Newcastle SD-860 Universal Player

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Dan Driscoll

The unit is noticably bigger than my RP-91 (think Denon DVD-2900 size) and well constructed, but is light, only 11 pounds. The front panel looks good and has a nice, logical lay-out. The buttons are small and bullet shaped, but protrude out far enough that they are easy to operate. The well known Newcastle titanium finish works with both silver and black components.

Set-up and operation are logical and straight forward. Most experienced users will be able to configure the player without needing to read the manual, but read it anyway. Time alignment and bass management are applied to both DVD-Audio and SACD. Crossover settings range from 70-160 hertz, in 10 hertz steps and are applied globally to all speakers set as SMALL. Speaker distance and level settings are available individually for all 6 channels.

I have only watched a couple of movies (Serenity & The Great Raid), but video performance looks pretty good so far. I would rate the PQ as somewhat better than my Panny RP-91 with film sourced material. I have not watched any video sourced material yet. The make and model of the deinterlacer and MPEG decoder chips in the SD-860 are not known. I did receive a request to open my unit and check, but I declined. I have a fondness for warranties. ;)

The main reason I got this player was for audio, especially SACD and DVD-A.  DVD-A on the SD-860 is definitely better than on the RP-91. The SD-860 has better resolution, detail and frequency response than the RP-91, IMO. FYI, I only compared hi-rez stereo DVD-A (Alan Parsons' I, Robot on HDAD and The Corrs, In Blue), I didn't have MC set-up with the RP-91. FWIW, CD sound quality is acceptable, but my Carver SD/A-360 is noticably better.

I did not have an SACD player before this, so I can't comment on relative merits. However, stereo SACD doesn't seem to be a big improvement over well recorded CD albums. The difference between Elton John's re-mastered early CD's and the stereo SACDs is relatively minor, IMO. OTOH, multi-channel SACD is considerably different. Unfortunately, I can't compare it to CD, because the MC-SACD tracks on most of the disks I have are not the same mixes as the CD tracks. A lot of material and in some cases, time, has been added, at least on the early Elton John albums the were released on SACD last year. The MC-SACD mix of Razor Face (off Madman Across the Water) is almost 90 seconds longer than the stereo CD and SACD mixes. The same is true for a lot of the tracks on the DVD-A release of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, so this is not exclusively an SACD issue.

Equipment used: Sherwood-Newcastle SD-860 universal player; Rotel RC-1070 preamp; Yamaha RX-V596 receiver/pre-pro; Carver SD/A-360 CDC; Sherbourn 5/1500A power amplifier, Vandersteen Model 2C mains, VCC-1 center, Paradigm ADP-370 surrounds, no sub, Pioneer SD-533HD5 RPTV, Outlaw Audio PCA and MAS Silver audio interconnects, Rhino Cables component video cables, Monster HTS-2500 Power Center.

rbrb

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Preliminary Thoughts - Newcastle SD-860 Universal Player
« Reply #1 on: 10 Jan 2006, 12:10 am »
Dan have you been able to compare any more SA-CD's to CD's?  I have been through a number of SA-CD players and was never happy with the way they handled Redbook CD.  I sold off my last SA-CD player and bought a DAC/linestage for CD duties.  I currently own a modified Cambridge Audio DVD-A player that I'm extremely happy with but would like to get a universal player for SA-CD/DVD-A playback.  The SD-860 just happens to be the player that I was most seriously considering but if SA-CD SQ is only marginally better than CD I may have to look elsewhere or perhaps have one modded.  

Anymore input now that you've had some more time to listen to it?

Dan Driscoll

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« Reply #2 on: 10 Jan 2006, 10:08 pm »
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Dan have you been able to compare any more SA-CD's to CD's?  I have been through a number of SA-CD players and was never happy with the way they handled Redbook CD.  I sold off my last SA-CD player and bought a DAC/linestage for CD duties.  I currently own a modified Cambridge Audio DVD-A player that I'm extremely happy with but would like to get a universal player for SA-CD/DVD-A playback.  The SD-860 just happens to be the player that I was most seriously considering but if SA-CD SQ is only marginally bet ...


I only have a few duplicate SACDs and DVD-As that duplicate CDs I also have, so my testing is pretty limited. Of the duplicates that I do have, many of the CDs are really top quality, such as the early Elton John albums produced and re-mastered by Gus Dudgeon. These are on par with XRCDs, MoFi CDs, etc. So you should not really expect to hear a huge difference between the CD and hi-rez stereo versions.

On other albums the difference is more noticable. I have Alice in Chains' Greatest Hits and Stevie Ray Vaughn's Texas Flood in both formats and while the CDs are good, the SACDs are definitely better.  FWIW, I think the same is true for DVD-A, the HDAD of Alan Parson's I, Robot and the DVD-A stereo mix of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours are better than the CDs. Whether they difference is enough to justify your getting back into SACD/DVD-Audio, I can't say.

Rob Babcock

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« Reply #3 on: 10 Jan 2006, 10:09 pm »
I don't think SACD or DVD-A are that much better just for stereo.  Their true superiority asserts itself with MC.

darwin

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« Reply #4 on: 14 Jan 2006, 01:46 pm »
Thanks very much for posting your impressions, Dan. I'm now even more excited about the pending availibility of the SD-871, which I'm assuming has identical audio capabilities.

jermmd

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« Reply #5 on: 14 Jan 2006, 02:19 pm »
How much does the Newcastle player cost?

John Casler

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« Reply #6 on: 14 Jan 2006, 05:16 pm »
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How much does the Newcastle player cost?


$499 is retail list.

Look here:

http://www.sherwoodusa.com/prod_sd860.html

Dan Driscoll

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« Reply #7 on: 15 Jan 2006, 12:56 am »
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How much does the Newcastle player cost?


I purchased my SD-860 from John, I would recommend you contact him if you are interested in a Newcastle player. FTR, I have no connection with John Casler or Summit A/V, except as a satisfied customer.

John Casler

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« Reply #8 on: 15 Jan 2006, 01:34 am »
Quote from: Dan Driscoll
Quote from: jermmd
How much does the Newcastle player cost?


I purchased my SD-860 from John, I would recommend you contact him if you are interested in a Newcastle player. FTR, I have no connection with John Casler or Summit A/V, except as a satisfied customer.


Thanks Dan,

As you know I have one of these in my system too and have found the transport works well (I run it into my Bryston DAC) and the SACD/DVDA/DAD playback is quite good at that price point.

I cannot comment too much on the video except that I did try the progressive scan on my new projector and found it had no visible problems.

darwin

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« Reply #9 on: 15 Jan 2006, 02:16 pm »
Quote from: John Casler

$499 is retail list.

Look here:

http://www.sherwoodusa.com/prod_sd860.html


John, Any new word on the long awaited SD-871?