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skrivis

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« Reply #360 on: 27 Feb 2006, 08:57 pm »
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I don't know about thicker dowels, but just to give those who might be interested a feel for how things might turn out......

I used 5/8 inch solid oak dowels....the thickest I could find at Home Depot.
My shelves are 34 inches wide and there was noticeable bowing right at the outset.  That's why I added the drilled-through middle support.

I figure to prevent bowing with 5/8 inch dowels, you would need to keep the shelves no wider than about 24 inches.  Thicker dowels probably would suffice for something wider, but I could not find them.


I had some 3/4" dowel stock and used that. I don't get any bowing and my racks are about as wide as yours (~34.5" between the sides).

I'd agree that, if the 5/8 aren't working, then it's time for another support. :)

Maybe it's that cheapo stuff they have at Home Depot? hehe

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« Reply #361 on: 27 Feb 2006, 09:56 pm »
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I had some 3/4" dowel stock and used that. I don't get any bowing and my racks are about as wide as yours (~34.5" between the sides).

I'd agree that, if the 5/8 aren't working, then it's time for another support. :)

Maybe it's that cheapo stuff they have at Home Depot? hehe


Hey Skrivis....that's great to know for my next project.....thanks for the tip!

any photos of yours?
floor standing?

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« Reply #362 on: 28 Feb 2006, 10:15 pm »
Will you people talking about CD rack construction please change the subject and start a new thread?  This has nothing to do with Frank choosing speakers.

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« Reply #363 on: 28 Feb 2006, 10:25 pm »
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Will you people talking about CD rack construction please change the subject and start a new thread?  This has nothing to do with Frank choosing speakers.


Ah!  But Frank has already chosen his speakers.  And what fun is it to actually stay on topic?

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« Reply #364 on: 1 Mar 2006, 02:47 pm »
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Will you people talking about CD rack construction please change the subject and start a new thread?  This has nothing to do with Frank choosing speakers.


Ah!  But Frank has already chosen his speakers.  And what fun is it to actually stay on topic?


His command to stay on topic was, itself, off topic. :)

Rigidly moderated fora (including Usenet and mailing lists) stick to the topic very well, but can also be boring and even not very informative.

Threads evolve and devolve everywhere else, and there's always somebody complaining that people should stay on topic, or start a new thread, or change the subject header, etc.

Dan, I understand that this bothers you, but it's not likely to change. I've been on the net since '94, and was on the BBSs before that. I've seen literally thousands of threads and discussions, and threads evolving and changing is simply part of the nature of the beast. I think you're wasting your time by constantly complaining.

You can figure out how to handle this in some way that's workable for you. Or you can select only rigidly moderated fora that don't have this problem. The third choice is to avoid the net completely.

I actually did fork a new thread at one point in this thread. My fork died after one response or so. I've observed similar things in the past and it usually seems that you get more discussion if the original thread wanders than if you fork a new one.

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« Reply #365 on: 1 Mar 2006, 05:32 pm »
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Will you people talking about CD rack construction please change the subject and start a new thread?  This has nothing to do with Frank choosing speakers.


Relax...it only stumbled off course for a few posts.
I see it happening all the time on these boards.
What's the big deal?

When the discussion goes far and deep in another direction, I agree that a new thread is appropriate.  But I don't see that happening here....just a slight detour.

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« Reply #366 on: 1 Mar 2006, 07:13 pm »
Anyway, the HT3s continue to impress me.

Reaction from my best full time gal after she came back from Florida vacation was "I have got to have these in my living room, they are beautiful" and that was even before I turned them on.

Her reaction musically was very positive, saying there were very balanced, but she thought the high end was not quite as revealing as our Biro L/1 speakers. She heard them with the contour switch off.

My two main guys both felt the speakers need a lot more break in time, and that the high end was too dominate and the midrange a bit recessed, and liked the balance a bit better with the contour switch on.  Both felt they would improve a lot with more playing time.  Both felt it was very positive for me to have a different set of formidable speakers here for both listening and evaluating our equipment on.  Need to make sure our electronic developments were not just for obsolete B&W 801s and discontinued Biro L/1s.  That would be a bad mistake.

Me, well there is something undefined that just causes them to "grab me" and make me pay attention to the music.

Understand the the Biro L/1s have an absolutely great presentation from as low as they will play on up so they present a real challange to any new speaker coming in here.

The bottom line of course is that I am keeping the HT3s and likely they will get moved upstairs to my video system (which of course can play high quality two channel audio too) just because they sound so good and look so great.

I am still open to evaluating more speakers, I do have room for more than one set of great loudspeaker systems here.

And hey Dan Kolton, I do hear the slight "disconnect" between the woofer and the ribbon tweeter, but am not at all preterbed by it.  I suspect the HT3s I have are improvements on what you heard.  They are pretty darned right to my ears.

Thanks to all of you.  Keep your comments and ideas coming.

Frank Van Alstine

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« Reply #367 on: 1 Mar 2006, 09:26 pm »
Frank,

You are correct.  The ones that I heard were not up to the spec. of the ones you have (Bob Wolters recommended to Jim Salk that he send you his most recent and best)  I'm looking forward to hearing these latest ones.

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« Reply #368 on: 1 Mar 2006, 10:17 pm »
Frank, have you ever auditioned Dave Ellis' 1801b's? They might be a substitute for the Biro and in the same price range too. (I think Jim Salk builds these as well)

..just a thought

WEEZ!

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« Reply #369 on: 1 Mar 2006, 10:21 pm »
Frank,

Did your "two main guys" think the "high end was too dominate and the midrange a bit recessed" on all the recordings they listened to, or just some, like on not-so-great recordings?

I just ordered a pair of HT-3s, and didn't ask for the contour switch, but I have time to decide, so am wondering.

On the other hand, perhaps they do just need more playing time to break in.

I look forward to hearing about your ongoing impressions of the speakers.

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« Reply #370 on: 1 Mar 2006, 11:25 pm »
It was a very short listening session on only a few CDs we know very well, interupting a brainstorming session on way future product development.  The observations were not to be taken as product defects, just that no speaker design sounds exactly the same as another, and both were satisfied that the HT3 was a true "high end" speaker system.

Frank

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« Reply #371 on: 2 Mar 2006, 01:06 am »
Frank,

I may have missed it somewhere in this very long thread, but can you tell us a little about your room? Size and how it is treated and so forth.

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« Reply #372 on: 2 Mar 2006, 07:50 pm »
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Frank,

Did your "two main guys" think the "high end was too dominate and the midrange a bit recessed" on all the recordings they listened to, or just some, like on not-so-great recordings?

I just ordered a pair of HT-3s, and didn't ask for the contour switch, but I have time to decide, so am wondering.

On the other hand, perhaps they do just need more playing time to break in.

I look forward to hearing about your ongoing impressions of the speakers.


I just asked Jim to add the contour switch to my HT3s.  I figured it couldn't hurt except for that it costs $250.  I listen to some bad recordings and some hard stuff.  I think of it as a small insurence policy.

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« Reply #373 on: 2 Mar 2006, 09:47 pm »
If the mids still sound recessed after break in it may just be due to room interaction/placement issues.  A good digital equalizer will correct that and should be a must for anyone wanting to get the most out of their speakers. No negative impact on the sound like an analogue equalizer, either.

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« Reply #374 on: 3 Mar 2006, 05:16 pm »
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If the mids still sound recessed after break in it may just be due to room interaction/placement issues.  A good digital equalizer will correct that and should be a must for anyone wanting to get the most out of their speakers. No negative impact on the sound like an analogue equalizer, either.


Sounds like the HT3a. :)

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« Reply #375 on: 3 Mar 2006, 05:29 pm »
Recessed is probably the wrong term.  Very slighty recessed than the L/1s or less prominate than the L/1s would be better.  Not intended to be a negative at all, or something that I feel needs changing.  Every speaker system has a slightly different overall balance, the HT-3s are just fine as is, just a bit different balance than the others mentioned above and that is not a problem.  Nothing I need to equalize or whatever, and hey guys I know about room placement, etc, been doing this for forty years.

Frank Van Alstine

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« Reply #376 on: 3 Mar 2006, 07:39 pm »
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Very slighty recessed than the L/1s or less prominate than the L/1s would be better.  
Frank Van Alstine

Speaking of the L/1... Mithat Konar just posted a new web page politely disputing the reason for your discontinuing production or them.  He writes:

"I was therefore a bit surprised to read in the premier issue of Inside AVA that the recent lapse in Biro product availability was due to the unavailability of a critical L/1 system component. The reality is that the current lack of Biro product is due to pressures on labor resources at AVA, not because of a lack of manufacturable designs from Biro. The gory details follow."

He goes on to say that he redesigned the speaker, with available components, that would have been easier to assemble than the L/1.  He ascribes your decision on your health problems and "labor pressures" at AVA, but notes that your decision was "the logical choice."  He states that producing the speaker: "places heavy burdens on a manufacturer, particularly with respect to material handling (cabinets are heavy) and storage (cabinets are large). Given Frank's health and other internal issues, they simply couldn't carry that burden anymore."  Finally he adds: " I am trying to find a solution to the manufacturing problem in the USA. And if you have any ideas, I would love to hear from you."

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« Reply #377 on: 3 Mar 2006, 09:34 pm »
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Speaking of the L/1... Mithat Konar just posted a new web page politely disputing the reason for your discontinuing production or them.  He writes:

"I was therefore a bit surprised to read in the premier issue of Inside AVA that the recent lapse in Biro product availability was due to the unavailability of a critical L/1 system component. The reality is that the current lack of Biro product is due to pressures on labor resources at AVA, not because of a lack of manufacturable designs from Biro. The gory  ...


What Mithat says on his web site sure makes it sound like the L/1 is history because of the unavailability of a crucial component. Frank said the same thing.

-added later--

I just read the newsletter, as well as what Frank said at the beginning of this thread.

Mithat's in the wrong here IMO.

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« Reply #378 on: 3 Mar 2006, 09:41 pm »
Maybe Frank is the crucial component.

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« Reply #379 on: 3 Mar 2006, 09:54 pm »
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Maybe Frank is the crucial component.


I guess this also means that Mithat is burning his bridges and won't be doing any further design work, speaker or circuit, for AVA...