New bad to the bone, open baffle speakers development.

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Danny Richie

Okay guys here is the outcome of a deal that went down at RMAF concerning these speakers.



The speakers were heard by a good friend of mine that is big in the audio industry. He was formally the director of sales for an award winning speaker company. He also, at one time owned one of the largest high end stores in the country, and is connected to everyone in the industry from manufactures to store owners. He's well known and liked.

He was really impressed with these speakers, and he made me a proposal that I really couldn't refuse.

Here is basically the deal.

I new company is being formed marketing a full line of these speakers. The largest of the models being the one pictured and seen at the show. No name yet, but considering some of the ones already suggested.

A smaller model will use the same center MTM section in an open baffle but only two woofers below in a ported enclosure (not four) and without the powered woofer on the side.

A matching center channel on its side and stand mounted (for optimal height for below projector screens) will also be made. Again the two mid-woofers will be in the open baffle but the pair of ported woofers handling the bottom end will be split with one on each end.

Some smaller non-open baffle designs will include something like my A/V-3, my A/V-3S, my A/V-1 and my A/V-1RS all using the same planar magnetic tweeter. All at affordable prices too.

All units will be fully assembled at MLS's factory. Finishes will include a gloss Rosewood, gloss birds eye Maple and possibly a Walnut or Ebony. Those of you familiar with their work knows that this is top of the line quality work. Just look at their own product lines at AV123 for an example.  

There are still lots of details to work out but it all looks good for me. I will own a percentage of the company and I won't be using my money.  Yep, he brings the capitol.

Prices will reflect dealer margins and it will be vary worth while for the dealers, so dealer inquires are welcome.

Projected retail price of the model seen at the show will be in the $5,600. to $6,000. a pair range, but we might wholesale a few pairs in the early going to get some units out there, in the news, and on the forums. Contact me about those if interested. Prices will be vary good.

The smaller unit and matching center channel will be about half of that (retail).

This guy will have them in a half a dozen or more stores in a few weeks time. He has that much pull. He may have them in a dozen or more before you know it and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I will announce his name at the appropriate time.

Questions are welcome. I will answer what I can.

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« Reply #1 on: 5 Oct 2005, 11:59 pm »
I just want to know who's the weird guy all over the internet promoting the heck out of the speakers but saying "I have no connection with the company".  He starts thread after thread everywhere.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #2 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:07 am »
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I just want to know who's the weird guy all over the internet promoting the heck out of the speakers but saying "I have no connection with the company". He starts thread after thread everywhere.


Can you show me where this is?

A can assure you that no one involved with these speakers or my company has been making any such posts.

It has to be a happy customer or enthusiast.

wshuff

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:21 am »
Does this development mean that you won't be offering this model as a kit through GR Research?

And CONGRATULATIONS!

Danny Richie

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:25 am »
This does mean that I won't be offering it as a kit.

ekovalsky

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:43 am »
Congrats Danny.  It must feel good knowing that a major player in the industry (whoever he may be) was impressed enough to sell them in the retail channel, and is willing to put up the capital to make that happen.  He obviously is confident they will be a big hit.

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« Reply #6 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:54 am »
Quote from: Danny
This does mean that I won't be offering it as a kit.


That is too bad.  I am sorry to see more and more value go *poof* to dealer markets.

wendell

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« Reply #7 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:54 am »
NO Kit! :cry:   I was looking forward to build this as my next speaker project but I guess that won't be happening.  Danny, Congratulations!!!

My wife is not going to agree with me buying these for $6000. :cry:

ekovalsky

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« Reply #8 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:06 am »
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NO Kit! :cry:   I was looking forward to build this as my next speaker project but I guess that won't be happening.  Danny, Congratulations!!!

My wife is not going to agree with me buying these for $6000. :cry:


Maybe Danny can hook you up with a pair just before they hit the retail channel  :?:

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« Reply #9 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:07 am »
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It has to be a happy customer or enthusiast.


I don't know, but it's REALLY weird, like this post:

http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=speakers&n=205366

and this one:

http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=speakers&n=205483

And this one:

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=speakers&n=206978

Which wouldn't be THAT weird except the exact same posts are done under all kinds of names at every other forum I've ever been in - Stereophile, AVS, AudioReview.  

I mean, hey, I'm into NHT's Xd, but even I don't go anywhere close to that nuts and everyone knows who I am and *why* I'm into them.  But this guy is either a stalker or some weirdo, but he has the same line over and over and most of the time he acts like he's never heard of them or he's not associated and just "curious" about them, but he's really just out to publicize them.  It gives me the creeps and I shouldn't even care.  I think he goes under "Tincup" on AVS.  He doesn't seem to post about *anything* else.  Just your stuff.  Over and over.  And then, when the thread dies, he posts it again.

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« Reply #10 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:56 am »
Okay I'll make a very limited time offer for the kits. Let me get the box drawings done and all the instructions typed up. I have to do all that now anyway.

Thanks guys.

John, I have no idea who that is.

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« Reply #11 on: 6 Oct 2005, 03:00 am »
Danny:  so you've hooked up with Mark Schifter?  Good for you!
I have mixed emotions.  As the guy that you said would be your tower cabinet supplier, I had visions of good volume of business and taking early retirement (as opposed to the future age 66 thing), building custom veneered cabinets for discerning customers.  But, no business materialized, so I've given up on that dream.  Then, there's your decision to NOT offer your new design as a kit, exept for a limited time, so us individuals won't be able to build for individual customers.  I understand that.  In the progression of a business, you inevitably either stay small or go big.  There are pluses and minuses for each, as we know.
On the positive side, I can't think of anyone other than Mark that would be a good hook for you to get into higher volume business.  He came to Austin last year and we had a good time talking and demoing several of his speakers and tube amp and CD player (he does like to demo LOUD).  He is personable, likeable, and genuine and seems to be interested in bringing quality sound reproduction to the masses.  I like his business model and wish you great success!

JohnR

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« Reply #12 on: 6 Oct 2005, 03:59 am »
Soundideas is the gold fuse guy :lol: He posts here, look him up :)

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« Reply #13 on: 6 Oct 2005, 08:03 am »
Some are bound to be disappointed at the closing of the window of oportunity to get these kits at the low price of around $1200 (I think that's the price). But we can't blame Danny for making an intelligent business decision. I hope the new company does well.

I think it's quite generous of him to offer them for a short time as a kit at the low price.

Anyone who really wants these should beg, borrow, or whatever to get the cash together, and go for it quickly, or else don't complain later.

Personally, I'm not too concerned because I'm extremely happy with the RA-8's.

wshuff

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« Reply #14 on: 6 Oct 2005, 12:34 pm »
I haven't seen the serial poster on AVS, but I did come across this on Audiogon.  Looks like he goes by Tincup on Audiogon too.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1128532777&read&3&zzlTin_cup&&

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« Reply #15 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:11 pm »
Danny,

Does this mean the other kits you offer are also going away as kits?

When I first saw the [un-named] speakers, I thought, "If he offers a kit with the MTM open baffle part with just the bottom half of the rest (with or without the sub), that'll be the last kit I ever need."  I'm sad to see that dream die!

Thanks,
Philip

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« Reply #16 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:12 pm »
Interesting move Danny.  I'll be interested to hear more details (like the retail locations) as this unfolds.  While I have some of the same feelings about the value of speakers, I expect that this doesn't mean you will stop doing what you do (at least for now).  

It would seem that you are on your way to no longer being an "unknown" great designer.  Certainly well deserved.  :)

I expect that each year I go to the show, I'll be seeing and hearing more of your work.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #17 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:19 pm »
All of my A/V series kits will always be available. The same models are also going to be available through Raw Acoustics using his new ribbon tweeter.

DeanSheen

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« Reply #18 on: 6 Oct 2005, 01:29 pm »
I'm crushed.  

Good deal for you Danny.  Best of luck on this venture. I look forward to checking out the new product in the showroom.

Keep us posted.

JoshK

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« Reply #19 on: 6 Oct 2005, 02:14 pm »
I don't blame Danny for making a smart business move.  I am not even looking to build the kits myself.  My comment was more to the loss of loosing yet another cornerstone to the DIY community and value leader. (ditto with Dodd Audio going brick & mortar and doubling the price....there goes the value proposition).

However if you are ever going to make any money in this biz, DIY is NOT the way to go.  We are a treacherous group of folk from the biz perspective.