I stopped in a local pawn shop and was surprised to see some actually good speakers--B&W 808's in very large cabinets with all the drivers mounted on the front baffle (not with the seperate boxes for mid/tweet ala 801 Matrixes. Supposedly, the 808's are TWO 801's in one cabinet, doubling up on the woofs/mids (not sure about the tweeter). There's really very little mention on the web about these other than some old ads on rec.audio marketplace. This particular shop tends towards excessive pricing, but these monsters were only $895/pair.