[WerTicus]

that, and the amp corrects distortion on every cycle.

i still have mine isoltated for good measure

[gme109]

that, and the amp corrects distortion on every cycle.

i still have mine isoltated for good measure

Have you posted your review yet? I was looking forward to reading it.

Thanks

[WerTicus]

its actually nearly ready but im a terrible writer - trying to make it worth reading

[bhobba]

I'd be interested in the lower power stereo version, especially if the remote was optional, for 2 reasons:

1.  I'm considering a high efficiency system and I'd rather put money into speakers and not pay for power output I don't need.  In this case the remote integrated would be ideal.

2.  I'm also going to build a system based on a TACT 2.2x or DEQX at some point and I will need a min of 4 ch of power, but not necessarily a lot of power in any channel.  In this case there's no way I would/could spend  ...

I too am looking at building a system around the DEQX and am very interested in using the NuForce in that application.  I have considered many different combinations of stuff, different drivers etc but the real killer for such a set up is the necessity of having an amp for each driver - $4800.00 US for a 3 way system.  After thinking about it I decided to look at Ambiance ribbon speakers (although this may change) because they are only a two way and their bass goes down really low - f3 of 28hz (probably even better with the equalization of the DEQX - with the Ambiance you can also stuff the port and run it closed - great for equalization) so I would only need 4 amps - which would make the cost only $3200.  I know  NuForce offers a discount for 5 amps - perhaps a similar discount for 4 amps would be helpful?  I certainly would support a stereo amp if it made bi and tri aping more affordable - and of course you would not need the same amount of power.

Thanks
Bill

[WerTicus]

I'm pretty sure pat would offer you a deal on 4 amps bhobba.

[hometheaterdoc]

I think the key to the multi channel issue is that folks who are interested in just two channel stereo can live with the monoblock idea.  In fact, many prefer to have monoblocks.  

But once you start getting into 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 channels of amplification for surround sound, all those power cords and cases get cumbersome.  Designing a new case that will allow the modules to share one power cord would afford SOME savings to the average customer (i.e. the one who isn't going to spend $1000 on a power cord for each amp), and a lot of money for those folks who do swap power cords.

Putting the amp into one chassis won't dramatically alter the MSRP price lower, but should afford some folks the opportunity to save a few dollars over the price of the monoblocks...  I'm not so sure I would alter the power specs though.... 100 watts is pretty standard out there in receiver land (not that those receivers can actually put out their rated specs all channels driven)...

If you are going to do a 5 or 7 channel amp, it needs to be in the same chassis with one power cord for the average consumer....

[WerTicus]

the average consumer uses stock cables man

[rustydoglim]

I know NuForce offers a discount for 5 amps - perhaps a similar discount for 4 amps would be helpful? I certainly would support a stereo amp if it made bi and tri aping more affordable - and of course you would not need the same amount of power

We don't encourage discount for single pair but we'll be happy to work with our dealers to give discount for multi-units for a single customer. Talk to Pat and we can work with him to give rebate if he offers discount for 4 or 6 units to you. In general, we encourage up to 15% discount on multi-units purchase. And that's reflected in our HT pack pricing.

But once you start getting into 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 channels of amplification for surround sound, all those power cords and cases get cumbersome. Designing a new case that will allow the modules to share one power cord would afford SOME savings to the average customer (i.e. the one who isn't going to spend $1000 on a power cord for each amp), and a lot of money for those folks who do swap power cords

All Ref 9 will be shipped with a shield power cord that is actually very good. Ref 8 customer can order those power cord for $15 (we provide special pricing to existing customers only).  We will be offering more reasonbly price power cord (very high end and nice looking) through our dealers.
With regards to HT setup, our thought is that for most high end customers, they want to use monoblock with preamp/processor for ease of upgrade (easy to replace each monoblock, try bi-amping etc).
We can offer a package deal with a pre-pro that makes the total system price very competitive with a high end Denon system. See the preamp/processor poll in the NuForce circle.

[bhobba]

We don't encourage discount for single pair but we'll be happy to work with our dealers to give discount for multi-units for a single customer. Talk to Pat and we can work with him to give rebate if he offers discount for 4 or 6 units to you. In general, we encourage up to 15% discount on multi-units purchase. And that's reflected in our HT pack pricing.

That is both very tempting and very encouraging.  Once I have sorted out the exact direction I want to go with speakers it looks like an ideal solution.

Thanks
Bill

[bhobba]

I'm pretty sure pat would offer you a deal on 4 amps bhobba.

Its Bill mate. Thanks for the skinny.  I have spoken to Pat about building the speakers and getting the DEQX from him.  I may get a pre built speaker or get the courage to do my own but I found him an excellent person to deal with.

Thanks
Bill

[WerTicus]

Hey bill, names Nathan.  Pat is very good to deal with, I pretty much buy everything through him now.  You should really pop over for a listen to his reference ones.

you wont find a better speaker for the money (I know i coudnt!)



Also he has the reference 9 beta in the store if you wanted to listen to that (and arnt plane tickets cheap these days?)

I heard a system he designed using the deqx, the BEEnginnering r3 tweeter and two PHL woofers, utterly mind blowing.

actually i have a pic somewhere laying around.


Talk about dynamic, it was 100db or more efficient, come to think of it we listend to that with belcanto, hmmm have to get Pat to put them back in the main room with nuforce i think
regards
Nathan

[Rocket]

Hi Nathan,

The drivers are actually focal 10 - 12inch and not phl drivers.  I'm not that keen on the sound of the BEEngineering ribbon tweeter and i prefer the raven.  Although many people wouldn't agree with me.

Bill, if you can do the cabinet work or have someone who can help you i would suggest that is the quickest and cheapest way to buy a war audio speaker.

Regards

Rod

[WerTicus]

I totally agree about the large ribbons not sounding as good as the raven 1, thats why my speakers are the top pair

[Doublej]

What brand of speakers are you guys talking about?

[WerTicus]

We are talking about a small perth audio store, that just happens to have one of the best speaker designers in the world making a small quanitiy of speakers by hand, no compromise stuff.  And that useually means expensive however pat seems to care little for money.

I'm talking about WAR Audio. Perth Western Australia.

http://www.warco.com.au/waraudio/index.html

the website is out of date unfortunatly, i believe pat is having a new one made as we speak.

[rustydoglim]

Hey, you guys should move speaker discussion to the speaker topic. Some day we'll like to listen to Pat's speaker. It looks nice (look is important for me to get wife's approval).

[mmakshak]

Just curious, It sounds like you have two new power cords available.  Any further information on them?  One costs about $15, while the other sounds like it is appreciably cheaper than $400/each.  Does the $15 one sound much better than say the Volex?

[rustydoglim]

Ref 9 will ship with a better and shielded power cord than a plain unshielded cord that we include with Ref 8/8b and nobody care to use it.  It is nothing special, just a plain shielded black power cord.

We realize that there is a need for a mid price premium power cord that people will actually use, so we're looking into it. Right now we're too busy with Ref 9 production (oops, everything is sold out until mid September) but will post more information about the power cord next week.

[matix]

Ref 9 will ship with a better and shielded power cord than a plain unshielded cord that we include with Ref 8/8b and nobody care to use it.  It is nothing special, just a plain shielded black power cord.
 .

An option buy of a Stealth power cord and a Ref 8B, is higher than a price of a Ref9.  I am just wondering shouldn't one just one go for the Ref 9 with better power chord?  I don't think the Stealth will make a Ref8B sounds better than a Ref 9?  

[rustydoglim]

Ref 8 and 9 are almost identical expect the power supply. But then the power supply will have some effect on the sound. Ref 8 is a little faster and Ref 9 is smoother and more tube like. But we are talking about very subtle differences here. And by matching the amp with different speaker cables, interconnect or preamp, you get different results. So unless you really need the power of Ref 9, go with Ref 8/8b.
You should find the right amp for your need before deciding on the power cord.