Tiny question????

llenahan

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Tiny question????
« on: 23 Mar 2026, 02:45 am »
To begin with....  I love Bryston and respect their knowledge.  I am currently running mostly Bryston with my 7.2 - Model T for L/R/C, Bryston Subs for front L/R.  Back Wall mounted Perlisten 5R, Sides Perlisten 5T.   Bryston 7b mono for the front 3. Two 4b for the sides and rear.  I am very happy with my system; however, I have to agree with my wife that the Perlisten 5T's for the sides are too big for our space. Looking to replace those.  Considering the Bryston Mini T and Bryston Tiny-T-10. 

For the size, I think I would prefer the smaller size of the Tiny T-10.  Hard to find much information.

Additionally, I am not sure I understand a triamped bookshelf speaker.  I am familiar with the benefits when I mixed for live bands.  Separate power to the bass and power to the top made sense.
Respectfully, I do not completely understand the practical benefits of triamping an 11# (5kg) speakers.

I would appreciate comments from those familiar with the mini t and tiny t-10 and their practical differences.


Thank you much.


LL

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #1 on: 24 Mar 2026, 02:46 pm »
Hi LL - gees you have more Bryston than me !!! :lol:
Anyway the Tint T10 can be run Passive or Active but I would recommend using Passive in a surround setup.

james

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #2 on: 26 Mar 2026, 03:15 pm »
To begin with....  I love Bryston and respect their knowledge.  I am currently running mostly Bryston with my 7.2 - Model T for L/R/C, Bryston Subs for front L/R.  Back Wall mounted Perlisten 5R, Sides Perlisten 5T.   Bryston 7b mono for the front 3. Two 4b for the sides and rear.  I am very happy with my system; however, I have to agree with my wife that the Perlisten 5T's for the sides are too big for our space. Looking to replace those.  Considering the Bryston Mini T and Bryston Tiny-T-10. 

For the size, I think I would prefer the smaller size of the Tiny T-10.  Hard to find much information.

Additionally, I am not sure I understand a triamped bookshelf speaker.  I am familiar with the benefits when I mixed for live bands.  Separate power to the bass and power to the top made sense.
Respectfully, I do not completely understand the practical benefits of triamping an 11# (5kg) speakers.

I would appreciate comments from those familiar with the mini t and tiny t-10 and their practical differences.


Thank you much.


LL

There are benefits to having active systems with separate amplification for each drive unit - the main benefit being an active crossover design while the signal is still "line level". That being said, a properly designed passive speaker will be almost as good and considering what is involved in active systems - six channels of amplification (for a 3-way speaker) rather than two, an active crossover etc., it becomes less clear whether an active system is worth the time and effort.

Also, many active crossovers today are "digital" which introduces an additional chain of A/D and D/A conversion. Because most digital signal processors (DSPs) that handle these tasks operate at 96 kHz so even if you use a source that is higher than that, it will still be downsampled to 96 kHz. Of course, if you use an analogue source, it will first be converter to digital for processing.

Take that as you will but in most case scenarios, active systems are complicated and the costs rise exponentially.

Cheers - Antun

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #3 on: 26 Mar 2026, 05:12 pm »
Folks - I am a big advocate of ACTIVE - it is a huge leap forward in performance.

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #4 on: 26 Mar 2026, 10:53 pm »

Take that as you will but in most case scenarios, active systems are complicated and the costs rise exponentially.


It all depends how far you want to take it. I have an active xo system that uses just three components:

Raspberry Pi running Volumio as a source
MiniDSP Flex as my preamp, xo and eq.
Crown CT4150 four channel amp. 

This system sounds great.  My 3-way speakers are active xo between the woofer and mid, passive xo between the mid and tweeter.  I use a 4 conductor 16g speaker wire to minimize the cables in use.  Active xo is not just for PA systems.  I agree with James that active is a big leap forward. I really notice it in the dynamics and clarity of the system when it's played loud. Forget analog active crossovers. DSP crossovers give you so much more control. You can dial in freq, slope, phase and timing all from your couch, and change it whenever you please.

I've been meaning to convert my 4430/3Bsst system to active, most likely with the 2B-LP driving the top.  I'm sure that will benefit from the active xo too.

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #5 on: 27 Mar 2026, 03:23 pm »
I've now lived with Bryston passive and active speaker systems for the past several years, starting with the Model T Signature with its' very good external passive crossover modules. The system evolved through converting the Model Ts to full active using additional amps and the BAX-1. For quite a while now I've been living with the Model T10s. Anecdotally, this progression took me through at least four switches from active to passive, in part simply to implement change, but also on at least two occasions, to verify whether there was anything still preferable in the sound of the passive versions.

Please note that my opinions relate specifically to the Bryston components mentioned above, I have less experience with such comparisons with other products. (I do have some experience of larger mid-field active systems used in recording studios, but didn't own them.)

A year ago I finished a full review of the Active T10 system. It's a long review, below is an excerpt specifically discussing my observations when listening in both passive and active modes. (If anyone is interested in the full review, it's available from James Tanner, or me.)

"The Elephant In The Room
I hadn’t done a passive vs. active comparison between a T type speaker since upgrading my original Model T speakers quite a long time ago. The BAX-1 crossover uses DSP for very fine-grained control of crossover characteristics, much more so than can be achieved using passive components. Bryston claims that such levels of control even help to improve the sound power characteristic of the speaker, the relative evenness of the total envelope of sound all around the speaker cabinet, not just the frontal frequency response. The analog signal that leaves the preamp is converted to digital in the BAX, and back again to analog at the outputs to the amplifiers. I got to wondering: is all that A-D and D-A doing any harm? Somehow leaving something good on the cutting room floor, so to speak?
So I took the time to revert the system back to passive crossover operation, and listened to selections from a demo playlist, of both digital files locally stored, and vinyl from the SL-1210G turntable, using my old Shure V15 V with new Jico SAS/B stylus, eventually switching back to active mode, and re-listening to the same material. (Digitally speaking, I don’t stream digital files. I use music stored on local drives.) The comparison was completely subjective. I did no measurements, apart from checking volume levels.
The change to active mode was unquestionably an improvement, in every way that matters. Not only were dynamics improved overall, but micro-dynamics, that make for subtle shadings and details within the aural canvas were clearer, less homogenized. A specific instrument within an ensemble could suddenly be played or struck with more emphasis, without affecting the other sounds around it. The soundstage was at least as wide, high and deep as with passive, and with certain recordings, extends with a sense of three dimensionality well outside the speakers, and further back in depth. If you’ve ever heard a tall line-source speaker design, you already know that soundstage height is usually abundant. (Depth is a discussion unto itself – I’ve never sat in Carnegie or Massey hall and thought “I can hear the rear wall of the stage”. I tend to think of audiophile discussions of recorded depth to be relative to various recorded instruments and performers within the aural “stage”.)"


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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #6 on: 28 Mar 2026, 10:10 am »
For the signature Model T and the new T10 series that are floor standing, I can understand active crossovers and tri/bi amping.  For an 11# "tiny" speaker, to me, active seems less "practical"/"reasonable" - No offense intended James.  I truly appreciate everyone's comments and the wealth of information and knowledge shared.

Thank you much.

LL

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #7 on: 29 Mar 2026, 02:02 pm »
I would agree -smaller speakers are probably an overkill given the complexity. :thumb:

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Re: Tiny question????
« Reply #8 on: 8 Apr 2026, 03:55 pm »
Folks - I am a big advocate of ACTIVE - it is a huge leap forward in performance.

Hi James!

IMHO, all other things being equal, an active system will have advantages but realistically, the "leap" might not be one that everyone would want to (or should) take.

Taking into account what's involved, both financially and technically (the unavoidable multiplication of components necessary to make it work, not to mention setting it all up), it is neither easy nor are the results forthcoming - and that's a lot of "if". If you have a listening room the size of a small concert venue, sure, it makes sense to use the space as best as possible.

Bryston is all about power and I don't necessarily mean "wattage" here, but one must balance between what is desired and what is possible in the space (and budget) given.

Cheers - Antun