Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers

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Gary95762

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Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« on: 23 Sep 2025, 05:27 pm »
Hi all!
I am curious. I have a McIntosh MA12000 integrated and Sonus Faber Amati Futura speakers with transparent audio cables. I am currently using an Aurender A200 streamer but wondering if, with this systems resolve, would I benefit from a higher end streamer and if so, at what point would I stop noticing a difference in sound quality.
I hope to hear some experienced opinions.
Thanks!

Bodhi

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #1 on: 23 Sep 2025, 06:12 pm »
Given you've already got a pretty good server/streamer, i'd suggest having a look at Ediscreation Bach server/streamer...particularly if you have cd's you want to rip to your server. My main source is currently my cd player, so that would be a good solution for my needs. Though note this is a server transport and would need to be connected to either a dac, or dac/streamer like the Electrocompaniet ECM 1 MkII - https://ediscreation.com/product/bach-music-server/

In my dream home i'd run a Bach server in my main system connected to my dac & stream from my server via LAN in my living room using an Elelectrocompaniet integrated amp & dac/streamer, and in my office using a Wattson Audio Madison LE dac/streamer/headphone amp and matching Madison power amp to drive my desktop speakers. You can spend stupid money on a high end server if you want to match the level of the best physical media sources. But since i'd only use mine for background listening, the Bach is as good as i'd ever need or want & it is future-ready. Hope that helps.
« Last Edit: 23 Sep 2025, 07:22 pm by Bodhi »

Gary95762

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #2 on: 24 Sep 2025, 06:30 pm »
Thanks for your feedback on that. I probably should have added in my original post that for music I am 100% streaming these days. I do like the Aurender but being the A200 is the equivalent of the N150, I know that is at the bottom of their food chain. There are soooo many out there with so many claims.
I will look into the Bach. I have heard the name in reference to DACs (I think).
Back to the rabbit hole of streamer research :)

Bodhi

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #3 on: 24 Sep 2025, 06:55 pm »
If you want a step up from the Ediscreation Bach, check out the APL Hifi NSP-GR Roon server/streamer. APL is the most natural sounding digital i've heard - https://www.aplhifi.com/products/nsp-gr/
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WGH

Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #4 on: 24 Sep 2025, 09:31 pm »
Are you using the McIntosh MA12000 internal DAC?

Gary95762

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #5 on: 24 Sep 2025, 09:55 pm »
Are you using the McIntosh MA12000 internal DAC?

I typically us the DAC in the Aurender. They both sound good though

WGH

Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #6 on: 24 Sep 2025, 10:45 pm »
I typically us the DAC in the Aurender.

I would think going up the Aurender food chain their DACs would be more resolving and natural sounding. The different sound qualities of DACs are very subtle, could you tell the difference between the Mac and Aurender in a blind test? The RCA cables would make the biggest difference in sound. Hapa Audio cables work best in my setup. See if Jason has a loaner set, the tours were a big success getting the word out. Hapa Audio has a Circle here with plenty of reviews.

https://hapaaudio.com/

Gary95762

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #7 on: 25 Sep 2025, 11:04 pm »
could you tell the difference between the Mac and Aurender in a blind test?

I could definitely tell they are different.. Subtle but different. I would have to really listen to try and point out exactly what is different about them though

Chazz5

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Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #8 on: 26 Sep 2025, 12:21 am »
If a streamer will receive and pass forward streams with the specifications you want, it is as good as it gets. For example, attached is from the Denon LinkHS2 manual.  This box receives the stream. It has a DAC, but you might prefer to take digital output from the Denon into a separate DAC.



WGH

Re: Upper mid-fi and appropriate streamers
« Reply #9 on: 26 Sep 2025, 09:19 pm »
... I am 100% streaming these days.

could you tell the difference between the Mac and Aurender in a blind test?

I could definitely tell they are different.. Subtle but different. I would have to really listen to try and point out exactly what is different about them though


You might already be close to squeezing the out the highest quality streaming has to offer. I had Tidal's HiRes streaming service for a year, my best description of the sound is meh. Not bad, kind of like average FM radio, which is how I listened to it. Tidal's sound quality compared to ripped CDs or hi-res downloads always came up lacking.  That was a couple of years ago when Tidal was doing some secret strange MQA digital manipulation in the background, maybe Tidal's HiRes FLAC 24bit, 192kHz streaming is better now.

Even the highest quality DAC and streamer can only do so much with a compromised source. The old Tidal attenuated the lowest bass (my REL sub went down to 20 Hz) which meant room ambience and space was missing plus highs were less sparkly and crystal clear. The reviewers in Stereophile use streaming to evaluate new equipment but maybe they have to, if they only evaluated equipment using only high-res sources then readers would ask about streaming.


The Aurender N50 has Triple-chassis Architecture (Server / Power / Audio), Ultra-low jitter and precise timing & multi-layer AC and DC filtering, and Galvanically isolated audio class USB 2.0 output module. All that makes a difference in a music server that plays flac and hi-res music downloads. I upgraded my DIY server slowly over years and could hear the improvements those changes made. Tidal was long gone so any comparisons would be guessing.


And even after all my improvements on the digital side, the biggest improvement that could be heard by everyone without guessing was switching out to high end RCA and USB cables. You might be there already, I wasn't and the improvement in clarity, smoothness, 3-D space and depth was a revelation.