Gravity Well Of A DarkStar

Tubo · « **Reply #560 on:** 11 May 2006, 02:00 am »

Quote from: Vinnie R.

The iPod has these EQ settings:

Off
Acoustic
Bass booster
Bass reducer
Classical
Dance
Deep
Electronic
Flat
Hip Hop
Jazz
Latin
Loudness
Lounge
Piano
Pop
R&B
Rock
Small speakers
Spoken word
Treble booster
Treble reducer
Vocal booster

Each of these settings have a custom FR curve that changes the sound, but I can't find the specs pertaining to what frequencies are boosted/reduced and by how much. A lot of them are subtle (but noticeable) changes.

Its funny because I remembe ...

Vinnie,

If you look at iTunes in your computer and bring up the equalizer (icon on lower right or Window, Equalizer), you will see a visual representation of the EQ presets. You can also alter them in manual mode.

Still enjoying my Red Wine Teac!

Al

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #561 on:** 11 May 2006, 05:12 am »

Quote from: Vinnie R.

My B200's should be here on Friday! My baffles are all ready and I plan to have new ones made with different dimensions and wings....on my free time!

Vinnie....Maybe when you get the OB b200's together, you can post what you hear comparing the OB's with the Omega A8's (I think you own a pair....right ?

).....thanks !!

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Dmason · « **Reply #562 on:** 11 May 2006, 04:08 pm »

Vinnie,

When you get your new B200's on OB, chain them with the A8 and see how you like it.

-Richard- · « **Reply #563 on:** 11 May 2006, 05:27 pm »

Excellent suggestion!!

I have my Bipoles resting on the floor with the front end tilted up on a Mexican
blanket so that it is pointed at the ears...my B200's in OB are right next to them
angled so that the drivers cross in front of the sitting position...

Each is driven by its own amplifier but feed from the same CD source using
splitter Y cables...

I dial-in each amp until I reach the desired synergy for each type of music...

The result? My CD collection is now fully alive...with textures, a silky spatial
expansiveness and a rich palpable presence that would make the hungry listener
in an audio shop pull out his VISA card and spend the rent money!!!!!

I am awaiting Vinnie's new Signature 30 amplifier with bated breath!!!!! I think it
will take this arrangement to a fantastic new level of resolution...WHAT FUN!!!!!!
And I already told Deb that we are getting REMOTE CONTROL!!!!!!! Now that is
a lovely change!!!!! Everyone should go to this page and see Vinnie's new
masterpiece:

http://www.redwineaudio.com/Signature_30.html

Warm Regards -Richard-

Dmason · « **Reply #564 on:** 11 May 2006, 06:49 pm »

Richard

Whenever I hear about your highly customized situation it makes me want to jump The Great Crater, and come to listen to it.

I see J. Boob has been writing enthusiastically about my experiment [now locked in his house] while I was away. In his excitement, he ordered FOUR PAIRS of B200's, to try on open baffle.

I am beginning to see the Red Wine Signature 30 as the potential optimal engine for this type of thing. Dynamics, power, and warm, beautiful sonics. I can't wait. A close to full range, 98db open baffle system using all Visaton B200's. This, I gotta see. The gravity well pulls harder yet!

Nice to see the near evangelical zeal of the Cult of the Openly Baffled.

Only heathens feed the furnace
If they take us, they will burn us.

Vinnie R. · « **Reply #565 on:** 12 May 2006, 12:16 am »

Quote from: Tubo

Vinnie,

If you look at iTunes in your computer and bring up the equalizer (icon on lower right or Window, Equalizer), you will see a visual representation of the EQ presets. You can also alter them in manual mode.

Still enjoying my Red Wine Teac!

Hi Tubo,

That is TOO COOL! Can you make a custom setting and import it into the iPod? Looks like a few of these EQ settings would work quite well with the B200 OBs. I'm going to have some fun

Glad you are still enjoying your modded Teac, too!

Quote from: -Richard-

]Vinnie....Maybe when you get the OB b200's together, you can post what you hear comparing the OB's with the Omega A8's (I think you own a pair....right ? ).....thanks !!
Chris

Hey lonewolf and dmason,

Louis has my A8s, so I'll have to "borrow" them (aka, steal them!) the next time I'm in his 'hood. I've used the A8s actually longer than my B200 OBs and I am very familiar with the A8 sound, but I can still see if I can do a little A/B comparison.

Quote from: -Richard-

I am awaiting Vinnie's new Signature 30 amplifier with bated breath!!!!! I think it
will take this arrangement to a fantastic new level of resolution...WHAT FUN!!!!!!
And I already told Deb that we are getting REMOTE CONTROL!!!!!!! Now that is
a lovely change!!!!! Everyone should go to this page and see Vinnie's new
masterpiece:

http://www.redwineaudio.com/Signature_30.html

Hi Richard,

It won't be long now! The wheels are in motion and I am getting all the parts in stock.

I'm glad to be pulled back into this thread. If I could give threads on my forum a "Red Wine" award, this would be the one!

Thanks, guys!

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #566 on:** 12 May 2006, 04:34 am »

Dmason :

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Nice to see the near evangelical zeal of the Cult of the Openly Baffled...

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-Richard- · « **Reply #567 on:** 12 May 2006, 07:44 pm »

Hi Lonewolf,

Your post is somewhat inscrutable to me...does it suggest that in reality
we of the Open Baffled confederation are actually more baffled than
we appear in print?

If so you are probably close to the truth...in absolute terms...after all this is fun...
as Jiffyboob suggests...and that means that fluidity is the most active principle
here...based on personal experimentation and an Opened Mind...a work in
progress so-to-speak...I wouldn't have it any other way...ones nature taking
precedent over the concretization of "location" and "destination"...the usual
suspects in ones audio quest...

However the illustration you chose points to a rather obscure meaning...

For one thing the human face does not readily lend itself to specific emotive
states of feeling easily...your illustrated face could just as easily be expressing
an extreme case of hemorrhoids for example, or the realization that his hair is
falling out at a rate much greater than he has anticipated, or it could be the
onset of alzheimer's disease which has led this illustrated character into a state
of profound forgetfulness...

If it is meant to be "us"...it falls back onto the person choosing the illustration
as form of "social" criticism of sorts...in the sense of Daumier's illustrations of the
burgeoning middle classes of France in the 1890's for example...or Hogarth's
illustrations of English urban life in the 1750's and 60's...both artists are masters
at this sort of social criticism...it does not get better than that...

But your illustration lacks information...there is no reference to audio for example...

The use of the mask by almost every native tribe everywhere in the world points
to the power of the face to "hold" states of mind as "active" archetypes...the
universal expressions of the human condition...but even in their splendid examples
there is room for confusion...hence the importance of "shared" meaning...the glue
the confers cohesiveness to the tribe..

No glue here, however...just confusion...

But it is always nice to hear from you, Lonewolf...you are the top dog in any AC thread...

Warm Regards -Richard-

Jampot · « **Reply #568 on:** 12 May 2006, 09:05 pm »

Richard,

You are correct - LoneWolf's contributions to any topic are sooo welcome whether questing for information, offering support or wisdom (and equipment!) or simply light hearted comment. I don't know how he finds time - when home in the UK I read overnight posts to the circles while most of America is sleeping and time after time Chris' posts are most recent!

I guess the illustration was found by searching on 'baffled' but actually the source is facinating - and here in UK - have a look

http://www.brotus.co.uk/Brotusfiles/hedge/hedge2.html

It seems the sack the charicature is carrying contains hedging plants! Though why he has an eye mask round his neck I can't imagine.

Richard, Dmason, Lonewolf and of course Vinmeister keep up the good work, my (our) pastime is the richer for your efforts, thank you.

Jim

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #569 on:** 13 May 2006, 03:31 am »

Hello -Richard- (my friend):

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Hi Lonewolf,

Your post is somewhat inscrutable to me...does it suggest that in reality
we of the Open Baffled confederation are actually more baffled than
we appear in print?

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Chris[/list:u]

-Richard- · « **Reply #570 on:** 13 May 2006, 03:40 am »

Hi Chris,

I was having some fun myself...in an elliptical sense...

Your posts are always a wonderful addition to any discussion.

Sharing and comparing...that's it!!!

Warm Regards -Richard-

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #571 on:** 13 May 2006, 03:44 am »

Quote from: Jampot

..... I don't know how he finds time - when home in the UK I read overnight posts to the circles while most of America is sleeping and time after time Chris' posts are most recent...

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It seems the sack the charicature is carrying contains hedging plants! Though why he has an eye mask round his neck I can't imagine.

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JiffyBoob · « **Reply #572 on:** 13 May 2006, 04:01 am »

Chris

I don't care about what you might have meant, your posts Rule, I always love em, this thing is therapy for me because my business runs my life, a sidereal business venture in a surreal location. Audio circle is an oasis of, for the most part, well intentioned, highly intelligent people searching for the Lost Chord. And I agree with the essence of this magic thread being 'a compari,' as those science types used to say, back when... but seriously, anyone who has stage-side experience with the '70's New York glitter scene is A-1 by me. Someday, I want to talk to you in real time, dude.

And yes, the only thing I have found that trumps the B200 sound, is MORE B200's. More on the way folks. Four pairs. More drivers and more power.

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #573 on:** 13 May 2006, 04:08 am »

Thank you JB....

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More drivers and more power...

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opnly bafld · « **Reply #574 on:** 14 May 2006, 09:31 pm »

JiffyBoob,
I really like your thinking. 4 B200s per side.

Something I would do if I did not already have 2 Hawthorne Audio Augies.
These 15" drivers in a 18"x18"x12" open back box do dipole bass really well.

Dmason,
Any details on the lower B200?, did you just mount them low on a flat baffle?, wings?, open back box?
My second pair of B200s will be here Tuesday.

Thanks for any information.
Lin

Wind Chaser · « **Reply #575 on:** 14 May 2006, 11:27 pm »

opnly bafld,

I had two pairs of B200's, sold one pair and bought a pair of Augies instead. I'm of the opinion that if you want bass extension this is the better way to go. All the B200s on the planet and won't go anywhere near as low as a single pair of Augies. You need the right tool for the right job... I haven't built my baffles yet as my B200's are still in Dave's custody at Planet 10. The plan is a 17"X17"X18" U for the Augies and a small L baffle for the B200 with major damping between the two.

John.

JiffyBoob · « **Reply #576 on:** 15 May 2006, 12:53 am »

Openly Baffled

The four pairs is my idea to try, my first, reckless foray into this madness. Two are very good at enhancing, so why not TRY four to SEE what happens. To COMPARE. For FUN. This was my thinking at least.

Windchaser

The notion of using more B200's was not to produce bass in amounts and to depths of the 15 inchwoofer to which you refer, that would be madness, and I am not that in the dark about this stuff. I just want to hear more. The idea of using a second driver, mounted low, is Dmason's, and it works very well, and as has been stated several times here, it is designed to bring the overall roll off of the baffle lower, in order to employ other less intrusive bass augmentation, so as to avoid the need for large and intrusive fifteen inch woofer wreaking havoc on the decor of my tasteful livingroom playground, to increase the OPTIONS AVAILABLE. Again, it works well. I should add that my own Dark Stars use FOUR 15 inch woofers in separate dipole configuration and again, work VERY well. And with a sealed 15 inch B&W sub beyond that, bringing overall response to around 18Hz, we are talking about a very well implemented, and very full range system.

Good luck with your Oggies!!

opnly bafld · « **Reply #577 on:** 15 May 2006, 01:24 am »

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the replies.

I like the idea of using a second B200 in a 1.5 arrangement to help flatten the freq. response. Then I hope to be able to lower the crossover point for the Augies, now at 180hz, to the 60-80hz range and hi-pass the fullrangers lowering distortion.
This should also make placement of the Augies easier-less critical.

JiffyBoob,
My comment about 4 B200s vs Augie and 2 was not about bass as much as for me money spent already.
One of my other systems has a Legacy Pacemaker sub, 2 15"s in a 6cu.ft. box that I rarely use. I like bass but if I can get satisfying sound w/o the use of subs I prefer it.
Lin

JoshK · « **Reply #578 on:** 15 May 2006, 01:30 am »

if you go really deep, then IMO you need to add a real tweeter on the top end or the tonal balance gets messed up. (note: I haven't head the B200, this is from experience with other designs, including Fostex, lowthers and other real full range systems).

opnly bafld · « **Reply #579 on:** 15 May 2006, 01:47 am »

Hello JoshK,
You really need to hear the Visatons.
I have bass as low as you want to go and no problems with balance in the high frequencies.
I don't know if its the rising response or the full range dipole sound or what, but it just works and sounds right.

Thanks,
Lin