[barfind]

Nice Richard. I know you will enjoy the B200's. They just keep getting better. Bass will come in, this is early days yet, but as you say they are impressive from the start. Enjoy

Nigel

[Dmason]

Richard

Glad you like; I found it interesting that your initial anecdote uses female vocal. Vocals, wood, really are standout on these things. Their ability to unravel complex harmonics is IMO what sets them apart --really apart-- from the field.

Nigel states that it is early days. Very true. As the driver works in, the lower frequencies will begin appearing. It doesnt take an eternity like the Fostex stuff, with the Sigmae up around 1000+ hours to really get an idea, but I would recommend playing them more loudly than usual, if you have fresh drivers.

I am very interested in hearing what the B200 is like with a single ended Pentode amp. Those are some of the sweetest thermions extant, and quite rare, in fact. The EL84 tube is overlooked, and is one of the musician's favorites, and really cheap, therefore collectable.  With the B200 on OB, you can really stretch your mileage with low power tube amps. Even 3 watts would be plenty. Well, reassuring to hear you are as openly baffled as the rest of us.  

[LymphNode]

Simple is as simple does.

You have a fairly easy task espousing the obvious.  The question is: Why bother?  

Pardon me while I applaud your ongoing struggle with your complex inner conflict.  You are a brave man.  On that keyboard.

[miklorsmith]

Maybe.  When the spotlights are on, you're the one alone on the stage though.  Why my comments to single out when you're obviously outnumbered?  A smart gunslinger would drop steel to fight another day.

Here are a few words you should work on:  Nuance, consideration, tact, cooperation, and empathy.  You've missed the message here by a country mile.  Oversimplification of complex thought has reduced your "analysis" to what I would expect from a child.  While I openly encourage independent thought and sideline commentary (I'm not even building these things yet), potshots and name-calling add nothing to the dialog.

Translation to the simple:  Bring something insightful, whatever it is, contribute, and keep the attacks in your pants.

[ebag4]

Gently rolling back to the topic at hand.  Has anyone considered a group purchase of the B200s?  Moderator, if this is an inapropriate place to mention this please delete this post.

I have a T-Amp coming tomorrow and am interested in mating it with my Bottlehead Foreplay.  If I like what I hear I may be placing an order for a Clari-T.  I am pretty well set for HT but I am looking for a good (low cost) 2 channel rig.

By the way, great forum, a lot of interesting ideas being tossed around hear.

Thanks for sharing guys.
Ed

[ebag4]

BTW, I am running a large IB sub (4 Acoustic Elegance IB 15s w/Behringer EP2500 amp).  This thing gives me big accurate fast bass.  I have to believe that this type of sub would work very well with an OB speaker.

[LymphNode]

Maybe.  When the spotlights are on, you're the one alone on the stage though.  Why my comments to single out when you're obviously outnumbered?  A smart gunslinger would drop steel to fight another day.

Here are a few words you should work on:  Nuance, consideration, tact, cooperation, and empathy.  You've missed the message here by a country mile.  Oversimplification of complex thought has reduced your "analysis" to what I would expect from a child.  While I openly encourage independent thought and side ...

Here's another word: hypocrisy.  

You feel picked-on so you play up a supportive group mentality to bolster the imagined complexity of your thought?   Childlike, you say?

There are plenty of other witches to burn.  Don't waste your time trying to increase your stature by lashing out at someone who merely called you a pain in the ass.  

Any lay off the Utne Reader.  It won't get you laid.

[Dmason]

Ebag4

If your mega bass unit can do quick attack transients, offer little overhang, etc., I believe it will work fine. For fun, I recommend you try the B200's. You can always send them back, but no one ever does. Cut some plywood and go. The ClariT is leagues in front of the SI amp, but it will give you a taste.

LymphNode

Are you even interested in audio? Yes? No? This long thread trades in ideas, and the positive; in truth, it is about having some fun! You seem to be most interested in viciousness from a safe and anonymous distance. If you are still licking your wounds from suggesting something which was the diametric opposite from the actual topic at hand -- get over it. I am sure I speak for the hundreds of readers when I say, "WE HAVE." That was exactly when you switched on. Let us stop this audio thread and offer LymphNode the opportunity to vent to his satisfaction, to allow him a soapbox to speak his mind on any topic you wish. So please, no posts for the moment, the microphone, stage, and spotlight is yours, LymphNode.

[powerbench]

Well im continuing with the OB discussion but I have to say im quite amazed on some of the attacks (pages) earlier. For what purpose ?


I couldnt care less what some has to say  and  hide behind a keyboard to attack a  complete stranger.

We have commons interests here and should  share some  mutual respect.

I'd feel more comfortable  meeting face to face to dealing with hostility(the old fashion way).

Then again not all  audio buffs are not 5-10,238 lbs and bench 450 (not bragging just a fact)but PLEASE NOTE  I dont need to rely and prefer not  to intimidate by words or even  by physical presence. Intimidation is really a sign of weakness NOT srength.

Better to  live in peace as much as possible with all men.

Id rather let them go off and wallow in their own deceptions and  illusions of grandeur.  
 
I called Solen last week to order some b200s and will be incorporating them in open baffle array.There presently back ordered 3weeks....Be curious to see their responsivness to the greater variety of music my collection holds.

The MiniMes are very good,just not happy with heavier Rock,then again not all single driver systems are.

[LymphNode]

DMason,

I mentioned the Solo 20 as an alternative to the open baffle.  You also mentioned the Solo 20 for HT use a while back.  A free exchange of ideas is rarely a bad thing.  This isn't, after all, "Audio Circle Jerk."  

You should expect a snap back when you communicate snide condescension in a post.  I have done my share of this, I will admit.

I will not engage in any further pissing matches.  To the innocent who were sprayed, I apologize.

[powerbench]

Pissing matches are only as good as the beer doesnt run out,then your left just holding your dick.

[-Richard-]

Well I for one commend LymphNode for expressing his honest feelings
and his intention to wish to clear the air of any misunderstandings...
Thanks LymphNode for your help here...deeply appreciated...

Now we can get back to our inquiry and adventure into the Dark
Star's potential for audio nirvana...and move collectively to share
our experiences and creative ideas with each other...

Warm regards -Richard-

[barfind]

Well said Richard. Hey here is an idea!!! Lets all grow up!!!! Great, thats over and we can be mature people exchanging ideas, dreams,hopes and along the way have a bit of fun.

So Richard how are your OB's sounding?

Ebag4, I for one would be interested in a B200 group buy, count me in for a few pair.

How many others are sitting on the OB fence at the moment? Well there are lot of compelling reasons to take the B200/OB plunge. You have a load of experienced users here, so ask away' and place those orders. Maybe you might want to put your hand up to a group buy.

Hope you are all well, and enjoying your respective systems and of course, your lives. God bless you all

Nigel

[barfind]

Well said Richard. Hey here is an idea!!! Lets all grow up!!!! Great, thats over and we can be mature people exchanging ideas, dreams,hopes and along the way have a bit of fun.

So Richard how are your OB's sounding?

Ebag4, I for one would be interested in a B200 group buy, count me in for a few pair. How about some pics of your ib sub?

How many others are sitting on the OB fence at the moment? Well there are lot of compelling reasons to take the B200/OB plunge. You have a load of experienced users here, so ask away' and place those orders. Maybe you might want to put your hand up to a group buy.

Hope you are all well, and enjoying your respective systems and of course, your lives. God bless you all

Nigel

[JLM]

I'm on the fence regarding trying the B200s due to rather tight and highly unknown financials as we complete construction on a new home and try to sell this one.  Besides everything around here is in disarray and many of my tools to build the OBs are under piles of boxes involved in pre-packing.  I also have a wonderful pair of speakers (abet less efficient) and would also like to try a Teac with them.

So many options, so little cash....


Regarding the flames, thicken the skin and get a life, this thread is long enough without wasting bandwidth and our time sorting through this sort of garbage.

[powerbench]

The good thing is the B200s will probably be in production for a while if theyre that good.Always good to wait  also to see what is successful with others.

[Dmason]

I think yesterday's discovery of the fact that they fare well on smaller baffles bodes well, overall. I am beginning to think that the custom tailored-for-OB Q=.7, coupled with the profound driver control of T amps makes for a truly formidable level of performance requiring very little in the way of implementation.

Last night, after listening to the new drivers in the garage, which sounded very nice, then in comparison to the ones in my home, which have been going for almost six months, I can say that useage and break in performance improvements are substantial. I was impressed, and almost "gleeful," at the difference, whose change is of course so incremental as to go unnoticed; I cannot more strongly recommend these stars of darkness than I can today, after this test. So anyone ~considering these, weigh in on a group buy, and we shall see what can be done directly from the source. Incidently, German purchases arrive in far less than half the time than the ones being shipped to you from the distributor in Montreal.

[miklorsmith]

"Knowing" what to do doesn't always equate to doing it.  My bad.  Peace, LymphNode.

I'm in if there's a group buy.  I'm no good at carpentry or electronics, but I can do this!

[RoadTripper]

I am certainly in on a group buy. In fact, I am basically in on a solo buy. But I will put it off if a group buy is in the offing.

[mcgsxr]

Always exciting when politics/religion/etc get involved.

I had a nice feeling last night, in thinking that Richard is happy with what he is playing with, and in a small way, I have contributed to another person interested in good sound, in finding something they are liking - the really fun part, is that it is entirely unlikely that I will ever actually meet this person.

Almost like a message in a bottle, from years past, a recipe that floated up on my beach via Dmason, that I added something to, and tossed back into the tide.

It makes me happy that the hard work I did, in constructing the ugliest possibilities, can be used as a "foil" to the beauty that others create - the old, "dear, I am thinking of building something like this... but don't worry, I can do better than this hack! ".  

Perfectly fine by me - as I point out, you guys are basically able to peek into the pixels of my skunkworks projects, able to see the 2007 BMW's etc.

Good fun, and good results.

I am overdue in reporting about the Red Wine Audio Sharp EX111.

The trouble I am having, and I have shared this via PM with Vinnie, is that my room, in combination with the OB b200's, is a bass vacuum, at the listening chair.  When I stand up, or move much closer to the baffles, there is sufficient bass.  At the listening chair though, there is not.  

I have also tried the modded Sharp with my KIT41 DIY Cable speakers.  I will try the modded Sharp with the newly arrived FR125's from DIY Cable also (a wide range driver, capable of somewhere around 50-20KHz reproduction, but with less efficiency than the b200's) in the box I built for the KIT41 - this driver has the promise of being able to displace the need for a 2 way, for small, bookshelf installation - I intend to use a pair of the KIT41, and a pair of the FR125's as a 4.1 setup in my new house, in August.

With the KIT41, there is great sound, it is a fantastic match.

Now, I bring this Sharp unit up, so that people out there looking for a simple setup to use with their b200's have something to think about.  Please note that I have not heard a stock Sharp unit, but did compare it to my JVC mini-system.

In short, the Red Wine Audio modded Sharp EX111 is a tempting little creature.  When I use the loudness button on stage 1, I get tantalizingly close to what I really want... The treble is bang on, the mids are nice, and bass almost there.  And factor in that it replaces (for the moment, I have not committed to this item as yet) a cd transport, a Monarchy DIP, outboard DAC, tube pre, Tripath amp, and no less than 4 sets of IC's.

Is it perfect?  Not in my room no, but is it so close that I hardly know what to do?  Yes.

If I could predict that my next room (I move in 7 weeks) would have more bass, I would buy this unit today.  That is as clear as I can make it.  

Recommended to try one, if you are looking for a comically small, music producer.

Thanks for the test drive Vinnie, I think I will be able to bring myself to box it back up sometime in the next 2 weeks... or check your email for Paypal!