Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades

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I.Greyhound Fan

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #80 on: 18 Apr 2025, 07:50 pm »
Thanks.

I do not know how to do this.  The only screen available to me are the input selections.  I see no way to leave input and go elsewhere.

Have you looked at the manual.  Here is where you can look at it.

https://www.psaudio.com/pages/manuals?srsltid=AfmBOooQQY7s3SX4g2233j0FjhB7BgqKHRQibhKH5FnASV6PxO6SNoAZ

You want the one that says Direct Stream DAC and hit download. 

To change menu's on the screen, there is a small rough round Icon on the upper left.  Hitting that will should change the menus.  Also, depending upon how old you mac mini is, it might not have the proper driver.  Please give PS Audio a call and they will help you further to figure this out.

WGH

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #81 on: 18 Apr 2025, 07:53 pm »
This might help

DirectStream Manual/Quick Start Guide


https://guildfordaudio.co.uk/images/manuals/Directsream_Dac_Manual.pdf









JackD

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #82 on: 18 Apr 2025, 08:01 pm »
That's only for the attenuator setting for using the DS Mk I as a preamp.  There is also a variable volume setting instituted to be used through the touchscreen.  This is in 1db increments. The OP's best option is to go to and join the PSA forum.  There are dozens of users there that have used the DS with both Windows and Mac computers.  While I've owned one for seven years I've only used dedicated streamers that don't have driver issues. Also that remote has been obsolete for years, before I bought mine in 2017.

Again with a computer audio setup if all the experimentation fails, shut everything off including the router.  Then starting with the router boot everything back up again one piece at a time. Also reseat your USB cable and if you have one, try another.

I.Greyhound Fan

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #83 on: 18 Apr 2025, 08:01 pm »
Thanks for posting that WGH!

WGH

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #84 on: 18 Apr 2025, 08:29 pm »
I just noticed the DS mute volume button on the remote (which, of course, has fresh batteries)

JackD

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #85 on: 18 Apr 2025, 08:34 pm »
Good chance TMR may have muted it after there test to prevent any chance of accident with the new owner.  Don't think starting or powering it back up would unmute it automatically.

o2b

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #86 on: 18 Apr 2025, 11:36 pm »
It's working!

It worked after I put batteries in the remote and closed Apogee Maestro (could that have munged things up?).

I noticed that when one mutes with the remote, a small box in the upper left corner of the input display turns from green to orange.  It was not on mute.

So, I actually do not know what got it working.

Thanks all!!!

newzooreview

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #87 on: 18 Apr 2025, 11:46 pm »
Excellent. Yes, Apogee Maestro looks like a good candidate for creating problems.

It is much better to get away from a general-purpose computer as the source for the DAC. That's another project for another day, but it's well worth the expense and effort.

WGH

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #88 on: 19 Apr 2025, 12:00 am »
It's working!

Congratulations! It's always a great feeling to resolve a seemingly impossible problem.

o2b

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #89 on: 9 May 2025, 08:06 pm »
Just wanted to say I am thoroughly enjoying my DAC.

I have some upgrades coming, thanks to advice from I.Greyhound Fan.

It's going to take me some time to be able to get whatever streamer I end up getting.  (newzooreview put it well.). Part of me wanted to not even listen until my system includes the streamer, crazy as that sounds!

I'll keep y'all updated and likely ask more streamer questions when the hunt begins.

Thanks to every one of you!

P.S. Playing a play list.  Stan Getz's sax on The Girl From Ipanema is the best I ever heard it.  I'm not good at explaining.  More depth, more detail.


o2b

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #90 on: 9 Dec 2025, 08:13 pm »
I am finally close to ready to get a streamer and I have a number of uncertainties that I hope can get ironed out in my effort to make the best selection I can.

I see that some streamers perform dac conversion and as I will be using my external DAC (PS Audio PerfectWave DirectStream DAC), I definitely want a streamer that does not have this capability, as I do not want to pay for it.

In order to best leverage my circumstances, I will likely buy used and spend $600-1200.

I’d like to understand what I am paying for.  For example, I don’t understand how a streamer impacts sound quality.  I would think so long as it gets the music file to the DAC intact, the DAC does the rest.  So, I must be missing something here.

I also want to understand the options for where the music files are stored.  I prefer a streamer that can read the music files from a hard drive, if that is possible.  If so, I’d also like to understand how the files are stored, such as directory tree options.

I have been enjoying my system.  It sounds so much better with my DAC.  However, I presently have no music because the streaming software I have been using (Channel D Pure Music with a Mac Mini) is not working and I am not able to get support (though I am entitled).  It is quite old software though (~2016).

Finally, as to the streamers (without DAC functionality) that were suggested, the one that seems the best fit is the Holo Red, as the Lumin streamers are beyond my available cost.
 

genjamon

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #91 on: 9 Dec 2025, 08:27 pm »
The new Eversolo T8 should be added to your list for consideration. It’s roughly at your price point and is a dedicated streamer-only affair. It might offer a skoch better sound than an upgraded Eversolo A6 Master Edition.

As discussed previously in this thread, the quality of power supply, quality of clocking, and circuit design to minimize noise generated in processing will all minimize the noise and jitter in the digital signal fed to the DAC. As with every part of the signal chain, DACs perform better when fed better quality signal. Garbage in, garbage out. They can only process what they are fed - they can’t fix problems generated upstream.

I have personally experienced in my system some quite substantial changes in sound quality based purely on improving the quality of power to the streamer on its own.

Early B.

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #92 on: 9 Dec 2025, 09:12 pm »
I am finally close to ready to get a streamer and I have a number of uncertainties that I hope can get ironed out in my effort to make the best selection I can.

I see that some streamers perform dac conversion and as I will be using my external DAC (PS Audio PerfectWave DirectStream DAC), I definitely want a streamer that does not have this capability, as I do not want to pay for it.

In order to best leverage my circumstances, I will likely buy used and spend $600-1200.

I’d like to understand what I am paying for.  For example, I don’t understand how a streamer impacts sound quality.  I would think so long as it gets the music file to the DAC intact, the DAC does the rest.  So, I must be missing something here.

I also want to understand the options for where the music files are stored.  I prefer a streamer that can read the music files from a hard drive, if that is possible.  If so, I’d also like to understand how the files are stored, such as directory tree options.

Yeah, the Eversolo T8 is what you want.

Every component impacts the sound quality, and since streamers are at the beginning of the sonic food chain, their build quality is essential. Just like anything else you buy, there are various levels of quality. You can't expect a $99 streamer to sound as good as a $9,900 one. And most streamers can read music files from a hard drive, NAS, USB drive, the cloud, or wherever they're stored. Before purchase, download the manual and read the section on linking to your music files. It's easy to do.   

o2b

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #93 on: 9 Dec 2025, 10:07 pm »
Hey Thanks, genjamin and Early B,

It's definitely on my list.

At a high level, I get how a streamer impacts sound quality.  I was under the impression that a streamer merely provides the file to the DAC, fully intact.  I suppose it continuously sends portions of the file to the DAC.

genjamon

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #94 on: 9 Dec 2025, 10:19 pm »
Yes, it’s the latter. DAC chips just process a stream of ones and zeros into an analog waveform. Unless the DAC is a “streaming DAC,” it doesn’t have a built-in computer to buffer an entire song file and then produce an internal stream of digital data to feed its DAC chip.

They call streamers by that name because they send a “stream” of data to the DAC. At least, that’s why I think they’re called that. Although I’m sure some folks refer to them as streamers only when they’re streaming songs from online streaming services, and not when playing local files from a hard drive or home network. Those folks might instead distinguish between a “streamer” and a “music server.” But I prefer to call them all “streamers” because that’s the role they play in the signal chain - providing a digital data stream to the DAC, which then converts that digital data into an analog waveform that then is amplified by the next step(s)in the chain. 

genjamon

Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #95 on: 9 Dec 2025, 10:26 pm »
Adding to my comment, this is why clocking and power quality can have such a significant impact on sound quality. If the timing of that stream of data is off, then the DAC will misinterpret the data stream - I.e., it will fail to “see” a bit of data here and there, thus distorting the sound. What this sounds like is an inability to fully flesh out the little micro details in the music, and a generally harsher sound. When the stream is of high quality, it leads to a calmer, smoother, and less harsh sound, usually warmer and more natural sound, and with lots of little details preserved. I find it’s easier to hear these differences moving from a higher quality streamer back to a lower quality one than the opposite. It sometimes takes the ears/brain some time to adjust. At first, a cleaner sound can sound less “full” or “energetic” until the brain gets used to hearing the fullness of the details presented. Then when you go back to the lower quality streamer or system configuration, it just sounds both harsher and more bloated and less resolving.

Cloud.sessions

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Re: Looking for Help With Streamer and DAC Upgrades
« Reply #96 on: 10 Dec 2025, 06:59 pm »
My Man 02b!
I’m glad you’re enjoying the direct stream. I thought that would be a good recommendation for you.
To your first question does a streamer matter? Even though digital audio is “just ones and zeros,” the timing and electrical environment around those bits has a huge influence on what the DAC ultimately reconstructs. A streamer isn’t just a file sender — it’s the clocking, noise-generation, and power-domain upstream of the DAC. When a streamer has cleaner power, lower RF noise, better isolation, and lower-phase-noise clocks, the DAC receives a more stable digital signal with less jitter and far less high-frequency garbage riding on the ground line. DACs like the PS Audio DirectStream do a lot of reclocking internally, but they can’t completely eliminate upstream noise or timing modulation. Give the DAC a cleaner, better-timed input signal, and its internal processing has less work to do and operates in a quieter environment. That translates directly into audible improvements in black background, microdetail, imaging precision, and tonal purity.

In other words: you’re not improving the “zeros and ones” — you’re improving how cleanly and consistently those bits arrive, and how little electrical trash is injected along the way. A good streamer reduces jitter, lowers RF contamination, and keeps the DAC operating in a more stable noise domain. People often don’t believe it until they hear it, but once the noise floor drops and timing smearing disappears, it becomes obvious why digital sources matter just as much as analog front ends.
 
Now that we’re looking specifically at your setup, a few things become clear. Your DirectStream DAC does its best work over I²S — that HDMI-looking port on the back isn’t video, it’s the DAC’s preferred digital input. And because the DirectStream reclocks the incoming signal internally, the quality of the clocks inside your streamer matters far less than the quality of the signal environment you feed it: low noise, low RF, stable ground, and clean power.

You’ve also said you have a large library stored on a hard drive you want to play directly. That requirement immediately narrows the field. For example, the Holo Red is great as a transport, but it has no native local-drive playback unless you introduce a metadata system like Roon. You could still do that by letting your Mac Mini act as the Roon server, but I completely understand if you prefer a simpler, more self-contained solution.

My recommendation is the Magna Mano, it’s a terrific unit and checks all your boxes. It stretches your budget a little bit, but you could probably find a used one using something like hi-fi shark. For something a little bit more budget oriented the Mercury Streamer V2 would also be a good pick. I would get either Volumio or Moode for the OS on either of these.

If you’re willing to use Roon and have it control your Metadata, that opens up the door to a lot more options, including the Holo Red or a used PS Audio Airlens. And honestly, Roon has the best operating system out of any of these guys so that’s what I would choose. It’s incredible for learning about your music, music discovery, and ease of use.

Hope this helps let me know if you need any assistance, I would be happy to help, you can email me at [email protected]