Odyssey “The Statements” power amps

0 Members and 5 Guests are viewing this topic. Read 44566 times.

klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #40 on: 6 Feb 2026, 06:01 am »
Unfortunately,  I'm done with the Meilenstein's exhaustive listening sessions required to determine the best possible set-up points and bias.......which means that I'll be packing up the amps and ship them out to Mike G. tomorrow night...............................dam mit.

But before I do so,  I'll take pics and post them with explanations...........

Seriously,  be prepared to be "wowed"

simon wagstaff

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 433
Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #41 on: 6 Feb 2026, 08:17 pm »
HI Klaus,

Looking forward to hearing more, and don't forget me, I am on the list.

Hopefully first 5?

I can be patient only because the current Kismets sound so good.

:)

klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #42 on: 8 Feb 2026, 12:10 pm »
Alright...............

I just came back from the airport,  shipping the amps (wayyyy early in the morning) via SWA cargo to Mike.   all 160 lbs of them.

They're gone now,  sniff.....

In the next few posts are some pics that I took yesterday......explanations and some technical data will follow........

klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #43 on: 8 Feb 2026, 12:23 pm »
This is a bit of a mess,  as in the past couple of weeks I did a ton of tests, comparisons, and physical move-arounds with 6 different amps, and 5 different speakers.......

apologies for the clutter.  This was my final check-up on biasing.  I used:

VPI  Avenger Direct tt with Graham Elite and the VPI Gimball arms......vandenHul Reference / Symphonic Line Ref. Phono Stage  as well as  a DS Audio Grand Master EX with the Master Energizer.
2nd turntable is the Symphonic Line RG 6 with a Kuzma 4 point and a SL RG 8 Gold cartridge,  also going into the SL stage.

CD Player is the SL Belcanto Reference

Preamp pictured is the Symphonic Line Erleuchtung Ref.   I also used a Candela, a Tempest,  and a Convergent Audio Technologies.

Cables are pretty much all Magnan.

Pictured are 2 of the speakers used...my Grand Temples and the big Raidho.

----------------------------------------

So,  this is part of the systems used in final setups,  which took me well over 20 hours of intense listening over a couple of weeks to achieve.  ( I can't listen to more than a couple of songs at a time before losing absolute judgement)









klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #44 on: 8 Feb 2026, 12:31 pm »
Next up are the amps open without covers

And yes,  this is 492,000 uF capacitance in total,  all the expensive and marvelous German made Symphonic Line designed electrolytics.....

And of course also the German made mymetal encapsulated trannies...they are serious $$$.
Man,  there's soooo much money in these amps.

With these amps,  I went all out cost be  damned to get the maximum sound quality of so many different parts.   And yes,  you can hear it....big time.





The power supply supply board






You can see the rectifier regulation board on top of the main board







All boards have blue LED's on them...it looks fantastic at night











« Last Edit: 8 Feb 2026, 08:25 pm by klaus@odyssey »

klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #45 on: 8 Feb 2026, 12:35 pm »
And some detail pics, including the insane Neutron connectors and cables that I had to custom make.......The XLR's and other connectors didn't cut it,  as the new power supply board puts out 70 amps to the main board...........so,  the big guns had to come out..........









Big Momma












And, of course,  all Meilenstein products will have this engraving incorporated...it's an unbelievably beautiful road in the Grand Tetons that we travelled 2 years ago...on the bottom right you see an old "MILESTONE" (meilenstein)  with the serial number in it.........















« Last Edit: 8 Feb 2026, 08:17 pm by klaus@odyssey »

AlexG

  • Industry Participant
  • Posts: 226
Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #46 on: 8 Feb 2026, 02:05 pm »
AMAZING….KLAUS!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏

Jeff_From_Michigan

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 463
Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #47 on: 8 Feb 2026, 02:26 pm »
OK, we can finally stop asking:

"Where's the beef?"

klaus@odyssey

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 03:13 am »
Well,  150 lbs or so of beef...........
There are a ton of changes and upgrades as compared to the Kismets..........

- thicker boards with nearly twice the copper in the traces (5oz),  and with the highest and purest copper available for these application..
- Different input and output stages as well as necessary several parts changes and upgrades to the main board
- special dampening of the board in the isolation to the chassis
- Specially designed power supply regulation board,  which is a biggie for the sound quality improvements


All of these changes also required a different biasing setup ...while we have between 19 - 20 mV  on the red and the Kismet boards,  the Meilenstein amps are best at around 14.5 - 15 mV biasing...this,  together with the new output stages means that the amplifiers run pretty much at room temperature most of the time,  and get only moderately hot when driven really hard.  This negates external heat sinks,  and saves space and money....


I don't have exact specs yet,  but it'll be close  to those of the Extremes...except sooo much more current ....

-  again,  on the power supply side, transformers are 1680 W. total .
-  492,000 uF capacitance

all of the PS parts are sourced from Germany,  pretty much some of the best parts quality that money can buy without going nuts

With the new PS supply board the main board is being fed now by 70 amps instead of 35 amps bridge rectifiers.  Think of each mono being mono'd out twice in the PS.....and yes,  each mono has a total of 3 boards !!!!!!!!!


- Ultra Linear 70A Power Supply.
- Use of Two Vishay 35A each Glass Passivated Single-Phase Bridge Rectifier.
- High Surge Current Capability with Low Thermal Resistance.
- Two Fully Independent (35 amps)Rails for Positive and Negative Voltages to the Complementary Toshiba Output Transistors. (.These provides incredible detail to inner phase shift on music recordings)
-  Double copper molding on the PCB Circuit Board for high current application.

Overall this newly designed PS in conjunction with the Main Amplifier board will provide great separation of instruments within the sound-stage. There is a clear sense of space and air between the many instruments and voices.  The outlines of instruments and space is breathtaking,  yes,  but also the width and especially the depth of good recording is spectacular...as is the flow of decays of instruments ...

As I mentioned before,  this falls squarely into the "luxury sound" territory,  no question.


I still have to get numbers together for final pricing,  but there's soooooo much money in the parts alone.  Also,  I have a good lock on my production time...Without machining time etc...just me, my time of hand making every step, I'm at around 32 - 34 hours of labor in the Meilenstein  monos..!!!!!!!!!!

Just the custom transformers are now over $ 700./ piece my cost ( around 3 K total) !!!!!!!!!!!!!    But worth it every penny.  However, there might be the option of using Toroid of MD's  potted transformers instead,  which should bring the pricing of the 4 units to around  10 K.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So,  they'll be at least $ 12,500  / set...minimum.  And yes,  I can ultimately upgrade existing amps....to a certain point.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 07:43 am by klaus@odyssey »

AlTran

Re: Odyssey “The Statements” power amps
« Reply #49 on: Today at 01:57 am »
Man oh man... I just received my amps few months ago & just broken in which is sounding phenomenal. The best of the best I've ever own. Here I'm ready to ship my 4 chassis bacl to Indy for upgrades to this latest additions. BUT I have to wait for another 2-3 months due to Klaus has a lot on his bench atm. Klaus, why don't you just build me a brand new pairs & send them to me for comparison?