Ray tubes 6SN7

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #20 on: 11 Dec 2024, 04:11 pm »
Don,

Thanks! I haven't decided where I'm going to keep the Model 2 - possibly in an office system or in Taiwan(?), but I doubt I'll sell it anytime soon. Anyway, the Ray tubes are destined for my Raven & Blackbirds combination.

 

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« Reply #21 on: 13 Dec 2024, 10:48 pm »
OK, here is the 100+ hour report.  The tubes seem pretty stable now.  They kind of went through a bit of a rolled off treble phase that only lasted 5 or 10 hours.  Now they are back and don't seem to change much at all.  They are superb, and as I said before, they pull off the trick of being very highly detailed without sounding at all bright.  The 3D imaging and micro detail is as good as I have ever heard from a 6SN7 tube.  They are as warm as I would expect a really good 6SN7 to be.  You can listen to them for hours with no fatigue and the bass is very tight and goes all the way down to the limits of the rest of the stereo.  So my final verdict remains the same as the original one.  In a preamp running these tubes at rational operating point, they are probably the best 6SN7 I have heard to date.  Are they worth the money?  I would say that depends on your budget, and also very importantly your system.  If your system has the resolution of the Raven preamp all the way through the chain, then you will hear what these tubes can do.  If your have a lesser system, then I cannot say how much of the improvement you will hear.

Just for clarity, my system is fully balanced and has no solid state devices in the signal path after the DAC chip.  The only coupling cap is the custom copper output cap in the Lampizator DAC.  They are proprietary to Lampizator and quite possibly made by Miflex, but I cannot be sure.

The system:

Lampizator Pacific sent in for the Pacific 2 upgrade.  I have adapters for a 4V rectifier, C3G "Postal tubes" as the drivers, and the output tubes are 4P1L DHTs.  The fellow in Europe who makes the socket adapters has heard a LOT of DACs and he owns a Lampi Horizon.  In his words, the Pacific 2 with this sort of tube set is better than the stock Horizon.  He considers the Horizon with a custom tube set to be the best source on the planet.  His words, not mine.  Anyway, the DAC driving the stereo is amazing.

This drives the Raven preamp and Blackbird amps.  The Ray tubes are in the Raven preamp.

Speakers are custom designed open baffle with compression driver and integrated horn from 1.2 KHz up.  They easily compete with the Spatial Q3 and which you would prefer depends on the room and your taste and whether you prefer a horn to what is among the best tweeters in the world (in the Q3).

Cables are from Paul Spelz at anticables....

My point is that this system rivals anything I have heard at any audio show for sheer musicality no matter the price.  If I change a single tube, then I hear its character immediately. 

Seasons greetings to everyone.

cheers,
Don

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #22 on: 14 Dec 2024, 09:45 pm »
Don,

I am surprised by the changes you report with burn in for the Ray Reserve 6SN7 tubes. Is that normal tube behavior? I already stashed my box and literature but I remember something mentioning 6 hours. I only have 1.5 hours on the tubes I received late yesterday.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #23 on: 14 Dec 2024, 11:55 pm »
Don,

I am surprised by the changes you report with burn in for the Ray Reserve 6SN7 tubes. Is that normal tube behavior? I already stashed my box and literature but I remember something mentioning 6 hours. I only have 1.5 hours on the tubes I received late yesterday.

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They sounded very good right out of the box, but definitely changed in the first 20-30 hours.  Then it was pretty subtle.  There was a 5-10 hour period when I thought they were getting a little soft on top, but that vanished.  I don't know what you are running yours in, but they will change subtly and improve for a bit.  Most 6SN7 tubes take 10-20 hours and the grey bottle PSVane tubes have often taken longer.  These are very highly selected and are already run in for 24 hours before you get them, so the initial brightness is mostly gone when you first use them.  That said, they just get a bit better over time for 50-100 hours.  It is subtle, but you can hear it.  The top end smooths out, the bass fills out, and the 3D imaging improves.  Again, it is subtle, but audible.   Most other tubes you get have only a few hours of burn in at the factory, so you have to put up with most of that first 10-20 hours.   The big power tubes take a lot longer to settle down than a 6SN7 though.

Post your impressions and let us know what gear you have them in. 

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #24 on: 15 Dec 2024, 12:08 am »
Don,

What an awesome system!   All you need to add for the icing on the cake is a PS Audio P20 power conditioner and some of the top end cables from Zenwave Audio.   Both will take you higher than you could have expected.   Unfortunately at significant cost too.   Having both of these I know I can't live without them in the system.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #25 on: 15 Dec 2024, 12:11 am »
Don,

Thank you for your response. Too early for me to comment extensively now except I like what I am hearing so far. I replaced the stock tubes in a Linear Tube Audio Aero DAC.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #26 on: 15 Dec 2024, 02:46 am »
I see there are a couple versions - anybody have a chance to compare the levels, the best ones are getting a bit pricey.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #27 on: 15 Dec 2024, 03:07 am »
Don,

Thank you for your response. Too early for me to comment extensively now except I like what I am hearing so far. I replaced the stock tubes in a Linear Tube Audio Aero DAC.

Yes you have to be patient. It's hard to know what the operating point would be in that DAC.  Obviously you can hear the tube, but it may be running at a very low voltage. It's really hard to say without seeing the circuit. So it may take a while for them to run in. Keep us posted

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #28 on: 15 Dec 2024, 03:09 am »
Don,

What an awesome system!   All you need to add for the icing on the cake is a PS Audio P20 power conditioner and some of the top end cables from Zenwave Audio.   Both will take you higher than you could have expected.   Unfortunately at significant cost too.   Having both of these I know I can't live without them in the system.
I have very good power conditioning, thanks. As for cables, Paul's are quite good, I'm sure there are all sorts of other good ones. The topology of the Raven and blackbirds make cables somewhat less important than other systems.  But I'm sure the cables you were talking about are very good.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #29 on: 25 Dec 2024, 11:28 pm »
I am currently running the Ray Reserve S6N7s I got for Christmas in my Valhalla integrated. It's only been a few hours but so far, I agree with Don's description: "They are as lush as you want, but highly detailed with no trace of brightness and very tight, but tuneful bass."  The detail adds information that you may not have heard or noticed before because there seems to be additional separation of instruments but there is not a hint of glare.

My only concern is that one of the tubes (I had to get a matched quad even though there are only 3 tubes used) doesn't sit snug into the socket. When I've let the amp cool down, I'll test that tube in other socket in case it is a looser socket.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #30 on: 16 Feb 2025, 06:15 pm »
Wondering if anyone had the opportunity to compare the Ray to Cryotone 6sn7s. I recently bought cryotone 6sl7 to replace a psvane 6sl7-we and I'm very happy with it.

Don do you have any experience with cryotone tubes?

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #31 on: 16 Feb 2025, 07:15 pm »
Wondering if anyone had the opportunity to compare the Ray to Cryotone 6sn7s. I recently bought cryotone 6sl7 to replace a psvane 6sl7-we and I'm very happy with it.

Don do you have any experience with cryotone tubes?

No, sorry, never heard of them or tried their tubes.  Looks like a pretty generic 6SN7 that has been cryoed.... Maybe it is good, but  I have never heard it...

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #32 on: 7 Apr 2025, 10:57 pm »
I  have an LTA aero as well and wonder if I should start with the ray tubes  on my raven or the aero
  I’m guessing the raven would give my the most bang for my buck

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #33 on: 8 Apr 2025, 10:14 am »
Who is your goto source for Ray Tubes?  I’m finding several who advertise but no direct storefront.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #34 on: 8 Apr 2025, 11:05 am »
Who is your goto source for Ray Tubes?  I’m finding several who advertise but no direct storefront.


Who is your goto source for Ray Tubes?  I’m finding several who advertise but no direct storefront.


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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #35 on: 8 Apr 2025, 07:13 pm »
Who is your goto source for Ray Tubes?  I’m finding several who advertise but no direct storefront.

Also https://apos.audio/collections/apos-ray-vacuum-tubes

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #36 on: 9 Apr 2025, 04:21 am »
Thanks guys.

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #37 on: 9 Apr 2025, 02:29 pm »
Thanks guys.

Write David and see if Spatial will carry them.  They were considering it....

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Re: Ray tubes 6SN7
« Reply #38 on: 10 Apr 2025, 12:51 am »
Who is your goto source for Ray Tubes?  I’m finding several who advertise but no direct storefront.

We sell all of the tubes we use in our products. That includes the Reserve family of Ray Tubes 6SN7, 300B and KT88.