[Jaytor]

You’re killing me here. Lack of replacement drivers is a little terrifying.

But it's not that hard to find a few extra. I have 3 extra NEO10s that I found on ebay and a couple of NEO3s (but I know Danny has plenty of NEO3s since I used his drivers).

If you used the BG NEO3s, you'd have to find some spares of those since they aren't identical to Danny's and the crossovers are a bit different to compensate. But again, they do show up on ebay, etc. periodically.

Once built, the chances of damaging the drivers is not that high. Individually, they can take a fair amount of power, and with so many in series/parallel, you've got tremendous power handling headroom.

[Presb4]

Thanks Tyson for posting this very detailed build. I enjoyed reading every part of it and laughing along with you for some small parts of it. I've been there too. 

[nlitworld]

But it's not that hard to find a few extra. I have 3 extra NEO10s that I found on ebay and a couple of NEO3s (but I know Danny has plenty of NEO3s since I used his drivers).

Or it sounds like you have a pair of SuperMini in your future...

[mkrawcz]

Or it sounds like you have a pair of SuperMini in your future...

I do have that going for me. But that’s still going to be just a taste of the Lineforce.

[Jaytor]

Or it sounds like you have a pair of SuperMini in your future...

I have thought about this, but given what I have invested in the Line Forces, it reduces my anxiety having these drivers squirreled away just in case...

I've listened to a lot of high-end speakers over the last few years and haven't heard anything I like as much under six figures (maybe high five figures), so replacing them with something as good if something happens to them is not in the cards (at least if I want to stay married  ).

[NoahH]

If any of the drivers start failing, I think the line force owners will end up battling Highlander-style until only one un-stripped pair of LineForces remain.

[jmimac351]

It would be interesting for you LineForce boys to hear a pair of Magenpan 3.7i with Danny's crossover.  Matter of fact, I would too. I owned a pair and thought I wouldn't sell them.  But they just didn't image the way I'd like, and I wanted more dynamics.

[Rocket_Ronny]

And here's a pair of BG speakers that have all the NEO10 and NEO3 drivers

I would think that the drivers may have back enclosures on each of them and if so it might be quite the job to remove them. I wonder if anyone knows. I am sure Danny does.

Rocket Ronny

[dayneger]

What do the LineForces (or similar line arrays) sound like when you're off to the side?

Due to the nature of my living space I'm often listening to my system when I'm well off to the side, at the dining table.  Or the other side, on the sofa that looks out at the view.  I'm obviously not critically listening in those spots, but I'm curious how the LineForces handle oblique angles since in our house a lot of music is played while at dinner/etc.

Congratulations on an impressive build!  I just finished a project and was reminded once again how long it can take to actually get everything done!

[Tyson]

What do the LineForces (or similar line arrays) sound like when you're off to the side?

Due to the nature of my living space I'm often listening to my system when I'm well off to the side, at the dining table.  Or the other side, on the sofa that looks out at the view.  I'm obviously not critically listening in those spots, but I'm curious how the LineForces handle oblique angles since in our house a lot of music is played while at dinner/etc.

Congratulations on an impressive build!  I just finished a project and was reminded once again how long it can take to actually get everything done!

Thanks!  I finally got the NoRez cut and installed and man does it make a positive difference.

Re: off axis, my ranking from worst to best off axis is:  Regular Box speaker - Regular OB speaker - Box Line array - OB Line Array

IME, line arrays have much, much better off axis responses because they load the room much more evenly.  Not just side to side, front to back, too.

[corndog71]

Damn you Tyson!  Here I am with my Super 7s which I thought would be my end all be all speakers and now you got me looking around for Neo10s and  why didn’t I stock up on those when I had the chance?!  Not to mention the $3k worth of tweeters and the cabinets. 

I’ve just finally been able to enjoy my 7s now that my basement is nearly finished.  They sound great!  I don’t even know why I’m tempted.

I wish there was a version of the Brute with the Neo3 tweeters.

[mkrawcz]

I wish there was a version of the Brute with the Neo3 tweeters.

That would be epic and I don’t see any technical reason why it can’t happen.

[Tyson]

Damn you Tyson!  Here I am with my Super 7s which I thought would be my end all be all speakers and now you got me looking around for Neo10s and  why didn’t I stock up on those when I had the chance?!  Not to mention the $3k worth of tweeters and the cabinets. 

I’ve just finally been able to enjoy my 7s now that my basement is nearly finished.  They sound great!  I don’t even know why I’m tempted.

I wish there was a version of the Brute with the Neo3 tweeters.

Well the Super 7's are no slouches.  They are, IMO, the 2nd best speakers in the world. 

[dayneger]

With the BG NEO10's the low frequency cut off is 150Hz for the line array without the servo subs.  The LM10n cutoff is 200Hz in comparison.   
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Will be happy to discuss them if wanted.

I thought Radian recommended 150 Hz on up. Did they not work well below 200 in this application?

[dayneger]

Thanks!  I finally got the NoRez cut and installed and man does it make a positive difference.

Re: off axis, my ranking from worst to best off axis is:  Regular Box speaker - Regular OB speaker - Box Line array - OB Line Array

IME, line arrays have much, much better off axis responses because they load the room much more evenly.  Not just side to side, front to back, too.

The NoRez is mostly for the wing? Almost too bad, making the wings transparent could help the speakers look less imposing in a space like mine.

Thanks for the feedback and hierarchy on the off-axis response! Now how to find someone with a comparable system to experience it.

[bernardo]

What kind of differences do you hear installing No-Rez on the line array faces?

[Tyson]

What kind of differences do you hear installing No-Rez on the line array faces?

They actually sound a bit shouty without it.

[HAL]

I thought Radian recommended 150 Hz on up. Did they not work well below 200 in this application?

When I did on-axis measurements, the 6dB down point in my baffle was 200Hz.  Radian also recommends for high output applications to use 200Hz for the LM10n.  Below that they would need gain with EQ to be flat down to 150Hz.

[nlitworld]

When I did on-axis measurements, the 6dB down point in my baffle was 200Hz.  Radian also recommends for high output applications to use 200Hz for the LM10n.  Below that they would need gain with EQ to be flat down to 150Hz.

Would it be something to construct a waveguide could help increase lower frequency output or is that only for a Neo3 tweeter level frequency? Perhaps a 1.5" waveguide for both a Neo3 and an LM10? I'm only spitballing ideas as I've never had the chance to play around with those drivers.

As for a Neo3 Bully, there is the NX-Bravo that is basically it  plus sub so I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Could be pretty rad though.

Tyson, sorry for encouraging the tangential conversation away from your Lineforces. Any photos with the NoRez all lined up?

[dayneger]

When I did on-axis measurements, the 6dB down point in my baffle was 200Hz.  Radian also recommends for high output applications to use 200Hz for the LM10n.  Below that they would need gain with EQ to be flat down to 150Hz.

Got it, thanks. Just read the full LM10n datasheet and see what you mean. Must be power-linited below 200 then. Maybe they would pair well with the 8" servo subs?

Not trying to distract from Tyson's thread... just inspired to wonder about a design using widely available parts. 😀