[zeeman]

I'm guessing (and hoping!) that the newer digital/streaming solutions from Bryston will incorporate support for multiple different streaming services (Tidal, Qobuz, Amazon Music, Roon, Spotify...Spotify Connect?).

I do think local storage music playback of your own music has gone down rapidly. I've been collecting and storing my own music for 20+ years but last 2-3 years I've slowly stopped altogether when I added Amazon Music for lossless playback. With cell phone plans offering good data, phones having big storage space for offline playback and of course home internet being more than fast enough, there isn't really a bandwidth, cost, or storage bottleneck like there has been in the past.

The biggest issue remains which devices (or their combinations) work with what streaming services. Tidal and Qobuz are usually always available with most devices or services (Roon, Audirvana, even BDP). However, Spotify, Aople Music, and Amazon aren't always available.

Spotify - still no lossless, but best playlists/suggestions usually. Also, they don't allow other services to use their music without also accompanying their full product. Biggest library amongst them all. All the niche stuff.

Amazon - best pricing on a yearly bundle (but not always available)

Apple Music - terrible desktop experience. Good on iOS I guess. Haven't tried it in awhile

Tidal - I think MQA is sorted out finally, so might check up on it again.

Qobuz - maybe slightly pricier last time I checked. Library not as deep.

I'd like to see more integration of these streaming services with Bryston BDP (or whatever comes after) going forward. Spotify Connect in particular I've been waiting 10+ years and it never came to BDP. I remember Cambridge CXN's came out around that time and it had Spotify Connect. Nearly went for the CXN at that time due to it, but held on to Bryston for local music and possible sound advantage. If I was making that decision today, I'd 100% priorities the availability of streaming services.

You mean like this:

https://bryston.com/digital-audio/bda-314/

[zoom25]

You mean like this:

https://bryston.com/digital-audio/bda-314/

Is the BDA 3.14 limited to Tidal, Qobuz, Roon, Internet Radio? Because that's what's also available on BDP-1.

No Apple Music, Amazon, Spotify/Spotify Connect on the BDA-3.14? Or are these available nowadays on Bryston?

[fbny71]

Is a 3.14 a BDP-3 with a dac (BDA-3)?

My understanding is that the 3.14 is a BDA-3 combined with a BDP-∏.

[jobiwon]

Is the BDA 3.14 limited to Tidal, Qobuz, Roon, Internet Radio? Because that's what's also available on BDP-1.

No Apple Music, Amazon, Spotify/Spotify Connect on the BDA-3.14? Or are these available nowadays on Bryston?

I think your first question is correct and the answer is yes.  But ROON is not a music service.  Roon is just a server that accesses services, storage and url radio.   I think this capability rides with MM and is Bryston hardware agnostic.

[canuck5]

If required required, will the Bryston be servicing their BDP's and Dac's??

[zoom25]

I think your first question is correct and the answer is yes.  But ROON is not a music service.  Roon is just a server that accesses services, storage and url radio.   I think this capability rides with MM and is Bryston hardware agnostic.

I've had Roon for past 10 years and its also limited to Tidal, Qobuz and one Korean (I think) pop streaming service.

It's good that Bryston supports Roon, and Roon can perhaps bring those in the future. Still, it shouldn't be expected from Bryston of Roon to bring these other left out streaming services to their customers. Nor should Bryston customers need to pay extra for Roon to access these services. Native and direct support should come from Bryston for Apple, Amazon, Spotify IMO.

[zeeman]

I've had Roon for past 10 years and its also limited to Tidal, Qobuz and one Korean (I think) pop streaming service.

It's good that Bryston supports Roon, and Roon can perhaps bring those in the future. Still, it shouldn't be expected from Bryston of Roon to bring these other left out streaming services to their customers. Nor should Bryston customers need to pay extra for Roon to access these services. Native and direct support should come from Bryston for Apple, Amazon, Spotify IMO.

All high end audio companies recommend Roon for the easiest and best quality user experience.  Only Sonos offers native Apple Music support.  High end customers are almost exclusively using Tidal and Quobuz, which are brilliant through Roon.  Apple, Amazon and Spotify are mainstream services aimed at the mass market.  Apple simply will not deal with any of the specialty audio companies, but you can also use AirPlay2 through Roon to stream through the BDA 3.14.

[jobiwon]

.....and one Korean (I think) pop streaming service.

KKbox out of Taipei

[R. Daneel]

If required required, will the Bryston be servicing their BDP's and Dac's??

Hence we return to why I even started the thread. It's turned something I didn't intend it to be. I am usually the last to know that a product is being discontinued and now it appears that no one knew this.

[gbaby]

We can blame the demise of the BDP3, on the complainers about how insufficient the interface on the unit was as opposed to other digital players that had their own idiosyncratic operational flaws. Chris was trying to accommodate the complainers and ultimately decided that new hardware was needed. Well for me, the BDP3 did everything I needed. I appreciate how I purchased my BDP2 and Bryston created an upgrade path so that my BDP2 could be upgraded to a BDP3. I am unaware of any company with this kind of policy that helps the customer. And, when I examine the price as opposed to these 15 and 20k digital players, I feel like I stole the unit. Bryston made this unit accessible to the proletariat. I'm  certain a new unit will be way out of my price range. Of course, I don't need another unit so I am thankful to Bryston on how the made and marketed the BDPs so that they were affordable. 

[galyons]

We can blame the demise of the BDP3, on the complainers about how insufficient the interface on the unit was as opposed to other digital players that had their own idiosyncratic operational flaws. Chris was trying to accommodate the complainers and ultimately decided that new hardware was needed...

Wow! Can you please let us know your source for these claims?  Such a basis for a product line decision would, IMO, be out of character for Bryston, or quite honestly, any quality producer of consumer electronics.  I doubt I will ever want to replace my BPD3, as long as it works well.  The MM interface is horribly outdated, handicapping a product line that is vastly superior to most streamers available in the marketplace. Acknowledging that reality is hardly complaining.

Cheers,
Geary

[cleeds]

I am new here to AC so I especially want to stay clear of any controversy, but AC is a great place for Bryston discussion. My first serious streamer was an Aurender (bought new from an authorized dealer) and I dumped it in favor of a BDP-3. I've been happy with the Bryston ever since. It's such an exceptional player that I'm surprised it's being discontinued. I'm not worried about service - Bryston has always had first class service - so I plan to keep enjoying the BDP-3.

[gbaby]

Wow! Can you please let us know your source for these claims?  Such a basis for a product line decision would, IMO, be out of character for Bryston, or quite honestly, any quality producer of consumer electronics.  I doubt I will ever want to replace my BPD3, as long as it works well.  The MM interface is horribly outdated, handicapping a product line that is vastly superior to most streamers available in the marketplace. Acknowledging that reality is hardly complaining.

Cheers,
Geary

The source of these claims are from me, and I used deductive reasoning to reach these conclusions. So many have made cruel comments on Bryson's alleged dated interface. They have made the unit compatible with other interfaces, and one can buy Roon and solve all of their interface issues with the BDP.  I believe that Bryston is working on another interface, but I also feel they are working on another digital player that will be much more expensive as they have to cover the cost of development. However, I'm with you, I hope to continue the use of my BDP3 as I don't need a funky looking interface, and I don't need it to make pizza. 

[cleeds]

I believe that Bryston is working on another interface, but I also feel they are working on another digital player that will be much more expensive as they have to cover the cost of development.

I have wondered the same thing. The BDP-3 is so-ooo good it's hard to imagine that Bryston is going to just walk away from having a top-notch dedicated streamer without a DAC.

[R. Daneel]

The source of these claims are from me, and I used deductive reasoning to reach these conclusions. So many have made cruel comments on Bryson's alleged dated interface. They have made the unit compatible with other interfaces, and one can buy Roon and solve all of their interface issues with the BDP.  I believe that Bryston is working on another interface, but I also feel they are working on another digital player that will be much more expensive as they have to cover the cost of development. However, I'm with you, I hope to continue the use of my BDP3 as I don't need a funky looking interface, and I don't need it to make pizza. 

Sure, proletariat can afford a 5000 € player that does nothing but send a digital signal to an outboard D/A convertor. Every household should have one! How many units has Bryston sold since the introduction of BDP-1? I’d be surprised if it was more than 3 or 4 thousand.

I don’t know where you grew up or what your background is but your choice of words is poor. All of the stuff – ALL of it – is for bourgeoisie. No one will die if they don’t own any of the stuff but they might die without bread and water.

The best that proletariat will own in this day and age is a Bluetooth speaker and a soundbar. Even something like Cambridge CXN – a wonderful machine by the way – is too expensive for a large majority of people.

Deductive reasoning is useless without applying common sense.

Cheers – Antun

[gbaby]

Sure, proletariat can afford a 5000 € player that does nothing but send a digital signal to an outboard D/A convertor. Every household should have one! How many units has Bryston sold since the introduction of BDP-1? I’d be surprised if it was more than 3 or 4 thousand.

I don’t know where you grew up or what your background is but your choice of words is poor. All of the stuff – ALL of it – is for bourgeoisie. No one will die if they don’t own any of the stuff but they might die without bread and water.

The best that proletariat will own in this day and age is a Bluetooth speaker and a soundbar. Even something like Cambridge CXN – a wonderful machine by the way – is too expensive for a large majority of people.

Deductive reasoning is useless without applying common sense.

Cheers – Antun

You have a problem. It may be comprehension, I don't know. How could anyone get offended by my comments unless they are innately sarcastic? 

[R. Daneel]

You have a problem. It may be comprehension, I don't know. How could anyone get affended by my comments unless they are innately sarcastic? 

Coming from you, it really means nothing. You are incapable of even the basic of conversations. Even two sentences is too much for you. Worse still, you are opinionated and arrogant and often resort to insults when the conversation is not going your way which is – frequently. Low IQ can explain some of it but I'm afraid the rest is on your character, mate.

Have you even read the opening post and the subsequent discussion or is that too many words for you? Perhaps you think someone should serve it to you on a plate, preferably in a YouTube video so that you don’t have to read.

I am one of the few on forums who uses his real name in the signature so if you have something you want to say, shoot me a PM, I don’t bite. Just be sure to introduce yourself first. I didn’t start the thread for your benefit but to source spare parts. No one knew the product was being discontinued so a discussion started. Then you came along and started assigning blame to “complainers”. You are toxic, have zero likability and every single one of your posts has served no purpose other than to “teach”. If you’re trying to project your own insecurity onto others, I am sorry but you can have it right back.

Cheers – Antun

[gbaby]

Coming from you, it really means nothing.

The feeling is mutual. By the way, your arrogance is displayed in your post number 1106. For the record, I own a Bryston SP3, the BDP3/BDA3, Bryston 2.5b SST2, and the BP2/mm/mc phono preamp. I am proud to say that I built my system from the SP3.

[Nitsuave]

We can blame the demise of the BDP3, on the complainers about how insufficient the interface on the unit was as opposed to other digital players that had their own idiosyncratic operational flaws.

Doubt this very much. 
The 3.14 and BR20 are alive and kicking with that same “inefficient” interface.

I hope you have many happy years with your BDP.

[gbaby]

I hope you have many happy years with your BDP.

Thank you. So do I.