[Hobbsmeerkat]

None of our woofers are flush mount due to ease of installation it provides.

I partially take that back as our LGK kit drivers (both the LGK itself and the aluminum Mini woofers) are flush mounted, but we also offer flatpacks as standard part of the kit for that reason.

[jmimac351]

And... there's another idea.  Ported, stand mount 2-way with LGK / M-200NQ.

I wonder what the -3db low end is for that driver in a ported enclosure.  Wilson claims the Duette is "36Hz boundary dependent", so that's my frame of reference for an 8" 2-way in a ported enclosure. Whatever it is, I have found that I'm fine with it, without subs... until I experience different.   

I'd probably have to buy that one too. 

[Tyson]

LGK on the front and back of the speaker, with the M-200NQ doing the bass would be pretty awesome.

[Hobbsmeerkat]

it's really going to be dependent on how the 8" drivers are tuned. as the 16ohm, will be designed for open-baffle, the 8ohm version may still be more ideal for a sealed design, but it may also still require a fairly larger box, plus the sensitivity of the driver will be fairly high compared to the LGK. Getting the M130 to match the LGK took a bit of work, if the 200NQ is more efficient, that will make it fairly difficult to really match them together.

[Tyson]

it's really going to be dependent on how the 8" drivers are tuned. as the 16ohm, will be designed for open-baffle, the 8ohm version may still be more ideal for a sealed design, but it may also still require a fairly larger box, plus the sensitivity of the driver will be fairly high compared to the LGK. Getting the M130 to match the LGK took a bit of work, if the 200NQ is more efficient, that will make it fairly difficult to really match them together.

Wait, what about the M130?

[jmimac351]

Wait, what about the M130?

Watch the latest videos from Danny and look over his right shoulder... the unannounced speaker hiding in plain sight. 

Also, this reference in discussion.  There's a YouTube link there where Ron @ NRD talked about the idea several months ago:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=189472.msg1983533#msg1983533

[Montreal_Jazz]

This one?

[jmimac351]

Yup.

[jmimac351]

it's really going to be dependent on how the 8" drivers are tuned. as the 16ohm, will be designed for open-baffle, the 8ohm version may still be more ideal for a sealed design, but it may also still require a fairly larger box, plus the sensitivity of the driver will be fairly high compared to the LGK. Getting the M130 to match the LGK took a bit of work, if the 200NQ is more efficient, that will make it fairly difficult to really match them together.

So, you're sayin' you're workin' on / have ideas for an open baffle speaker using multiple 8" NQ drivers. 

[Hobbsmeerkat]

So, you're sayin' you're workin' on / have ideas for an open baffle speaker using multiple 8" NQ drivers. 

open baffle was the original plan for the 200NQ, just like the M165NQ but we're not currently working on anything with the 8" drivers at this moment but we we likely will in due time.

[BGFan2024]

So what about a modified NX-Studio with one of these added on the bottom (NX-Studio II?), and a high pass filter? I know it wouldn't be as good as the original NX-Studio with servo subs, but much more cost effective, which is one consideration for me.

(1) Would that extend the low end enough to make it worthwhile (e.g., to upgrade from X-LS Encores)?

The other consideration is that I really like the idea of the OB tweeter and would need something like the NX-Studio that could be placed close to the wall because of room limitations. I'm sure the OB tweeter would really improve soundstage with things like cymbals, etc.

(2) How much redesign of the crossover would have to be done for that to happen?

[Hobbsmeerkat]

So what about a modified NX-Studio with one of these added on the bottom (NX-Studio II?), and a high pass filter? I know it wouldn't be as good as the original NX-Studio with servo subs, but much more cost effective, which is one consideration for me.

(1) Would that extend the low end enough to make it worthwhile (e.g., to upgrade from X-LS Encores)?

The other consideration is that I really like the idea of the OB tweeter and would need something like the NX-Studio that could be placed close to the wall because of room limitations. I'm sure the OB tweeter would really improve soundstage with things like cymbals, etc.

(2) How much redesign of the crossover would have to be done for that to happen?

1. A little but only to maybe 60Hz if kept sealed, ported would make for a really large box based on current parameters. (Think X-MTM size)

2. A lot would need to change, plus we would need to have a batch of the woofers made as all we have currently are a couple prototypes with different cone finished (one is semi-gloss, the other is matte)

A better option would we to build a stand and use a single ported M165 woofer and cross the mid woofer off to the M165 around 150-200Hz.

[BGFan2024]

Thanks Hobbs! To make sure I understand, when you say make a stand with a single M165, would it look similar to "The best speaker stands ever" (i.e., mounted in the side face of the stand, like the sub version)? And passing the below 155hz would be done with a high pass filter or a crossover? I thought I saw another post about a waveguide being available for the Neo 3. If so, could I just integrate that and the M165 into a single cabinet design for a floor-standing model?

[Hobbsmeerkat]

Thanks Hobbs! To make sure I understand, when you say make a stand with a single M165, would it look similar to "The best speaker stands ever" (i.e., mounted in the side face of the stand, like the sub version)? And passing the below 155hz would be done with a high pass filter or a crossover? I thought I saw another post about a waveguide being available for the Neo 3. If so, could I just integrate that and the M165 into a single cabinet design for a floor-standing model?

Nah, I mean like an short X-SLS tower without a tweeter. Front firing woofer and rear-firing port.
the crossover could be done via a couple different means, making the speaker a 2.5-way by putting a large coil on the woofer, or high and low passing the drivers with a new crossover to make it a more traditional 3-way, or high passing the Studio and putting a cheap sub amp on the bottom woofer.

I've prototyped a few waveguides and back cup for the Neo 3 which could be used to pair with the standard M165 or M130, as a standalone setup but we haven't really looked at that avenue in a while.

[jmimac351]

So what about a modified NX-Studio with one of these added on the bottom (NX-Studio II?), and a high pass filter? I know it wouldn't be as good as the original NX-Studio with servo subs, but much more cost effective, which is one consideration for me.

I had a similar "bass module" conversation recently with Hobbs, but it was for the NX-MTM kit I have (although the idea isn't limited to that kit).  I also have an NX-Studio kit, and a few other 2-ways.  I want bass for those (bass module), but also was thinking of how to turn a few of the projects into floor standing units (if I wanted to).  After all, the NX-MTM is always going to need something for bass, might as well make it a single unit - if I'm sure I won't want to use it with something different / better down the road.  To do what you're talking about passively, I found I'd still end up with piles of caps / parts, and wouldn't have any tuning / adjustment of the low end.  I am quickly getting to the point (may already be there) such that if I can't tune the low end to fix a bass issue, I'm not gonna like it. 

I am pretty sure I have the solution, 2 pairs of them in fact - Rythmik F8.  Right now they are only available used... maybe that will change down the road.  I put the first pair next to my Wilson Duette to see how they would be when I have all 4, but right now there is one next to each.  I am extremely happy with how these are working out.  It's already the best bass I've ever had, and I haven't put a microphone on them yet to dial them in.  Musical bass.

I have ideas for integrating with NX-MTM and NX-Studio.  I'll see if I can mock those up over the holiday weekend so you can see what it looks like.  If so, I'll share pictures.

[BGFan2024]

Thanks for the replies.  Since I just got the XLS-Encores built in January, I guess I'll wait for further developments and/or cash to accumulate. They sound really good, but I still remember how amazing the OB setup sounded that Danny demonstrated in December. I didn't realize this was going to be so addictive.