Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade

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Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« on: 2 Dec 2023, 01:15 am »
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« Last Edit: 5 Dec 2025, 03:15 pm by jmimac351 »

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #1 on: 2 Dec 2023, 01:40 pm »
This sounds like one heck of a fun project. I mean really at the end of the day you're not permanently altering anything that can't be redone and sold as an original Merlin speaker. You'd only be out a couple cost effective drivers, some parts and your time. A few hundred $ is well worth a couple weeks of education and entertainment in the garage and the possibility of a better speaker in the end. Really looking forward to seeing your progress.  :popcorn:
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Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #2 on: 2 Dec 2023, 06:21 pm »
The LGK 2.0 is a very nice driver indeed.  I find it sounds best when listened to on-axis.

In a room you can measure down to 200hz or so with the time-sliced approach.  For lower than that you can measure them outside.  Not perfect, but better than in a room.  You still have ground bounce, but not any wall or ceiling bounce for bass.  If you raise the speaker off the ground as much as you can, ground bounce is also reduced.

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #3 on: 2 Dec 2023, 11:32 pm »
I had the same resonance problem with my old Von Schweikert VR2 speakers so I added braces, lots of them. Overall it was a huge improvement, bass was tighter and deeper and imaging improved because the cabinet wasn't vibrating as much.

The solid wood braces were tapered at the ends to clear the drivers. The triangle shape take up less volume, has a non-parallel face, and are thick in the middle where the speaker sides need the most dampening. Each speaker has 8 braces installed, which measured out to 3 1/2" between each brace. I used three dabs of hot melt glue and Titebond III. The hot melt glue acted as a clamp until the Titebond dried and made a permanent bond. I used Grizzly polyurethane glue with hot melt glue when I installed the resonant control panels, which made the speakers disappear.





The results were so good I added more braces and interlocked them.




Installing Braces

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=44748.0

Resonance Control Panels

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=72808.msg683847#msg683847


Have fun!

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #4 on: 3 Dec 2023, 01:15 am »
I had the same resonance problem with my old Von Schweikert VR2 speakers so I added braces, lots of them. Overall it was a huge improvement, bass was tighter and deeper and imaging improved because the cabinet wasn't vibrating as much.


Thank you for taking time to share this info!!!  :thumb:

jmimac351

Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #5 on: 7 Dec 2023, 12:48 am »
Update to Update... evidently I misunderstood whether a crossover could be done without another VSM being in house.  It can't be done properly.  So, I'm stuck, unless I send a VSM in. 

We'll see if it makes sense.
« Last Edit: 12 Dec 2023, 12:48 am by jmimac351 »

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - LGK 2.0 Mod
« Reply #6 on: 7 Dec 2023, 05:34 am »
Who knew Danny was the 5th member of the A Team?

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #7 on: 30 Dec 2023, 02:59 pm »
Hi jmimac.
Can you please provide some infos which crossover did you use?
i have the drivers here and would like to make some speakers with them.
and your post was very interesting and i need some more help please.

regards from vienna
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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #8 on: 8 Jan 2024, 05:17 pm »
For clarity... the LGK idea and M165 idea expressed above are not happening...

However...

1) I have verified the original crossover schematic for the Merlin Music VSM.  Even after purchasing an "upgraded" crossover for the speaker, that info was not forthcoming from the person I did business with.  A fact which I am not shy to say that I am THERMONUCLEAR PI$$ED about.  I'll be abundantly clear... this was not Danny, this was someone else and I have moved on from dealing with that person regarding the Merlin VSM, or anything else.  Whatever the case, I have verified the original crossover schematic for the Merlin VSM, and it's documented.  Even so... it will soon be rendered moot.

2) Unlike the lack of support I received from the person I did business with, I am happy to help you in anyway I can, all the way from the US of A. Folks reading this should remember, this is a speaker long out of production from a company that no longer exists. The designer passed away in 2015.

But...

3) Please be patient... keep your powder dry... cool your jets... I am working on a box to ship 1 Merlin Music VSM to Texas.

4) The end result is not going to be a "regular speaker"... I'm very excited about it... and I'm hopeful the loyal owners of Merlin VSM speakers find it adds to their enjoyment of a speaker many have owned for a long time.  I'm glad there are people like Danny Richie to help other people have fun, and nothing is going to stop this from happening, notwithstanding FedEx.  :lol:

I don't know about ya'll, but I'm here to have fun.

:popcorn:

thank you for your feedback.

can you tell me if you have the original schematics of the crossovers for the speaker?
if yes, can you please share it with me?

or do you still have the original crossovers and are you willing to sell them?

thank you in advance

regards from vienna

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #9 on: 22 Jan 2024, 11:44 am »
Hi.
Thank you very much.
Now i can start building my crossover.
may I ask you why on your photos there are the resistors and one inductor missing?
or did i miss something?

i am very thankful for your help and all your updates.
keep us updated with your projects...

 :D

Thank you

BR
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Danny Richie

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #10 on: 22 Jan 2024, 07:27 pm »
Hi.
Thank you very much.
Now i can start building my crossover.
may I ask you why on your photos there are the resistors and one inductor missing?
or did i miss something?

i am very thankful for your help and all your updates.
keep us updated with your projects...

 :D

Thank you

BR
s.

That diagram that he posted is not going to work well with those drivers.

jmimac351

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #11 on: 23 Jan 2024, 06:12 am »
Hi.
Thank you very much.
Now i can start building my crossover.
may I ask you why on your photos there are the resistors and one inductor missing?
or did i miss something?

i am very thankful for your help and all your updates.
keep us updated with your projects...

 :D

Thank you

BR
s.

The resistors are there in the picture.  They are Caddock resistors.  The other inductor is INSIDE the speaker cabinet (also pictured above / inside the large, white tube)... and I am finding it is glued in there like a mutha!  I may need to pull out the "BFH"... a precision guided tool for certain circumstances.  It is a descendant of the SawzAll species of tools.  :lol:

You asked for the crossover for the Merlin VSM... and that is it.  As Danny mentioned, you may not want to actually build that crossover.  Why? See the frequency response Danny measured for the Merlin Music VSM, posted further up in this thread. 

I am going to send Danny a Merlin Music VSM speaker and a new crossover is going to be designed. Based on what I'm hearing with the job he did on my Wilson Audio Duette speakers... the Merlin VSM is going sound really, really friggin' good...

So, my advice to you is to wait for that new crossover design. You should be able to get it from Danny when it is done.  Or, you can build the one posted... whatever makes you happy.  :thumb:

Danny Richie

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #12 on: 24 Feb 2024, 05:15 pm »
An EZ Weigh scale?

I've had a few cars on those.

jmimac351

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #13 on: 25 Feb 2024, 12:32 am »
An EZ Weigh scale?

I've had a few cars on those.

I figured as much...  :thumb:

rooze

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #14 on: 25 Feb 2024, 02:03 pm »
Color me skeptical for what little it’s worth.

I owned VSM Mxe for a few years and thought they were fantastic speakers. I never found them to be forward or bright. I did find them to be very revealing and sensitive to equipment matching but that was one of their biggest attributes and not a weakness. I didn’t always run them with tubes, they were sweet with Moon gear, not so much with a big Krell FPB 700 that a friend brought over. Even a lowly Cambridge Audio 850 integrated amp sounded wonderful (that’s a real underrated amp by the way).

I didn’t use the Master BAM module exclusively with the VSM, I felt on most types of music it really wasn’t necessary, but it worked well with other music where low bass was more of a feature.

This was a well reviewed speaker and mostly loved by people who own it, hence the reason for it being quite rare on the used markets, I think. If you want to make it “better”… well, good luck.

I had to sell my floorstanders when I moved south a few years ago but I’m now using the stand-mounted Black Magic Edition speakers, which share a similar design principle and similar components to yours. These speakers are among the most detailed, transparent, and musically engaging I’ve owned over the years and I’ve owned a few.
I ran them for a little while with the Ars Sonum Filarmonia, which is a 30 watt E34L design and one of the amps recommended by the late owner of the company Bobby Palkovic. It sounds a little too sweet and relaxed for my tastes so I’ve just replaced it with a pair of Audio Mirror SET45 monoblocks which use the 6C33C tube and they sound bloody marvelous with the little TSM BME. I wish I had owned these amps when I had my VSMs back in the day.

Anyway, my point is that Merlin speakers can and do sound fantastic when set up properly and paired with the right equipment, which IME is a prerequisite for ANY high-end speakers, regardless. If modifying the crossover can make them sound even better then I say hats off to you for trying, but let’s keep it real when describing the originals.

For those stumbling on this thread as I did, it’s worth mentioning that Merlin speakers are still serviced and supported by Rick Brkich of Signature Sound in NY. I bought a new driver from Rick and a brand new Master series RC network, and he’s a good guy to deal with. He was a close friend of the owner and designer Bobby P, before he passed away I believe in 2015.

Good luck keeping the brand alive in some sense and I hope your project ends in success.

Rooze












jmimac351

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #15 on: 5 Mar 2024, 12:58 am »
Making the sausage...


jmimac351

Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #16 on: 10 Mar 2024, 02:07 am »
Link to video about Merlin Music VSM --> https://youtu.be/dQ78c-6tH7s?si=-ZDD8UTQsv0qyAxo




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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #17 on: 10 Mar 2024, 03:56 pm »
Nice!  Are you wiring everything up now?

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #18 on: 11 Mar 2024, 07:21 pm »
I have the TSM, not the VSM, but there were some comments on issues w/ the drivers. As some one else noted, wasn't the Estotar considered one of the best soft domes produced? And I thought the mid bass unit was well regarded. Wasn't that the same driver used on some legends like the ProAc Response 2.5 and one of the Meadowlark speakers......the Shearwater I believe it was called.

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Re: Merlin Music VSM - Crossover Upgrade
« Reply #19 on: 12 Mar 2024, 08:54 pm »
At some point, I thought I would get the Odyssey Lorelei. Heard 'em and really liked.(been a few years.) I have Stratos Monos.  But now I'm pretty sure going OB.  I dunno......why not both?

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