Please Vote for NuForce manufacturer circle

Grover · « **Reply #20 on:** 20 Apr 2005, 11:15 pm »

Jason:

If you haven't already done so, you probably should take a look at the FAQ and what is said about Manufacturer's Circles. I've included a link below.
I don't think there's any conflict, but please keep in mind that a facilitator(s) is needed who has the responsibility for the Circle. Whether that is you or someone you appoint, it should be someone who has interest in AC and keeping the Circle alive and well.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/faq.php?sid=cc4cd0950ab0911bdedf749bbe0b495a#20

jules · « **Reply #21 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 02:01 am »

It's a no from me.

Nuforce has been clear that they are not commited to long term interaction with the forum. They have reason to be enthusiastic about participation at the moment as it has clearly lead to some sales.

There's plenty of opportunity for them to contribute to the forum for a period without having a circle.

These circles/forums depend heavily on interaction and are a two way street that can benefit everyone. They are not simply a promotion tool.

jules

Hantra · « **Reply #22 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 02:04 am »

I'm gonna agree with Al G. Why make it hard? You guys are all like women. Everything has to be harder than it really is.

I realize it takes a bit of work to setup another forum for a manufacturer, but this is one who has sent several examples of their product out to AC users, and is merely asking for a place to go and talk about it. If it doesn't happen, then you same guys will be bitching about how NuForce is trying to promote their products, or that their posts should be moved to the Market Square. Just like a bunch of liberals.

Grover · « **Reply #23 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 04:01 am »

Hantra wrote

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If it doesn't happen, then you same guys will be bitching about how NuForce is trying to promote their products, or that their posts should be moved to the Market Square. Just like a bunch of liberals.

I'm not sure I understand the meaning of your post; other than just to take a random pot shot at liberals. Are you saying that it's wrong to abide by the rules set down by a society? Because if Nuforce isn't granted their own circle, then it's appropriate for them to post about their products in Market Square. Shouldn't a "Conservative" member of AC point this out as well?

I certainly hope that you aren't implying that Liberals have cornered the market on bitching, because that's rampant from both the right and left from what I can see. I'm not trying to get down on you personally, we've never talked before as far as I know. But I think my overall views would be termed liberal as opposed to conservative. I will say that sometimes people with strong views either way can maybe see the humor in their positions, but the randomness and frequency of the jokes against "liberals " is starting to get me down.

jules · « **Reply #24 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 04:22 am »

Grover,

I don't think you fully understood Hantra. He actually put down both liberals AND women. Maybe he would like to add to the list of "types" who's opinions aren't worth considering.

jules

Hantra · « **Reply #25 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 04:39 am »

Quote from: Grover

I certainly hope that you aren't implying that Liberals have cornered the market on bitching...

You're making my point with that entire post.

Occam · « **Reply #26 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 05:46 am »

Quote from: Al Garay

Why make this difficult? It's very simple. Let them in now.

NuForce has a very promising product and a refreshing philosophy that benefits all audio enthusiasts. We can all benefit from the discussions surrounding their current and future products. Thus far their participation has been a real positive - quick replies, technically astute without sounding arrogant, condescending and self-serving...

Al - No disagreement with your point about the promisng product part, but with regards to your view of them as technically asuste, at least in their communications, I hardly think that the case. But I do agree that they don't 'sound' arrogant, condescending and self-serving, simply that they are either those things, or simply slapdash, or unable to bring appropriate resources to bear.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=17913.msg160057#160057&highlight=room+avg#160057
That ludicrous 'dangle' of antipated improvements was simply hilarious. After wiping away the tears of laughter, I assumed this was an April Fools sendup of marketing hyperbole, but I found that this was probably not a joke, but consistent with the website's Faq -
http://www.nuforce.com/faq/faq-power.htm

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Vpeak = Peak output voltage of amplifier
R = Speaker load in Ohm
Peak Power = (Vpeak)2 / R
RMS Power = Power supply's RMS power
Max Power Per Cycle = (Vpeak)2 / 2R

What this silly exercise in high school algebra is supposed to convey, other that their power rail is a bit above 36 volts, is beyond me. This is even sillier than the old IHF and 'MusicPower' ratings. While I agree that RMS power doesn't tell the whole story, a single 50hz cycle doesn't represent or approximate any musical event I'm aware of. An AES reference would be nice....
What possible meaning do these numbers have unless its in comparison to other other amplifiers of various technologies? There is no context, nor would any rational vendor bother. Though it would be humorous to do those calculations comparing a Nad 372

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With tube amplifiers, the supply voltage is very high, typically 300 to 600V. Therefore even though tube amplifiers have higher overall distortion, perceptively, they sound more 'powerful'.

This is absolutely priceless! It obviously an 'in joke' to see if folks know what a transformer does.

While I'm hughely entertained that Nuforce would hire an alumnus of "The Onion" writing staff for a marketing position, they might consider involving their CTO (cheif technology officer) to tone down the humor, as some people might take it seriously.

Hantra - Re: Just like a bunch of liberals.
I'd think the line should be - 'Just like a bunch of Conservatives'
Isn't the Council simply implementing a 'No Audiophile Left Behind Act'? Do you expect no standards be applied to the vendor du jour, and they should be able to circumvent a clearly defined process of 'certification' by appealing to the 'mob'?
Are we somehow beholding to Nuforce because they send product for evaluation to folks who happen to be AudioCircles members, or that arrangements were made via these facilities? I would think this is the very definition of quid pro quo. NuForce potentially gets some sales and some good press on the Critics Circle which leads to more sales. They can be grateful for the opportuninty earn their own vendor's circle by the rules, or they can be petulanat and oppositional.

FWIW

Al Garay · « **Reply #27 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 06:37 am »

78% that's probably better than the conclave voting for the new Pope.
I'll keep my eye open for the white smoke.

nuforce · « **Reply #28 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 07:05 am »

I didn't say that NuForce can't commit to participating in AC. I just said that I personally can't guarantee my time.

There are a few AC members who sounded skeptical. I understand. But I challenge you to take part in the audition program (sorry, we have a long queue but will try to shorten it when we have more Ref 8 in stock). There are two pairs in circulation now. I need to ask Jerry to hurry up.
If you say we suck after you listen to it, we're not going to argue about it unless we can pin point the problem. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion and taste. BTW, please indidate if you want XLR version. We have some available. We dare you to listen to it first

Hey, no big deal if there is no NuForce circle. We can just create different topics in AC.

Jason

Rob Babcock · « **Reply #29 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 09:59 am »

No, Occam- "just like a bunch of liberals" sounded about right to start with.

Anyway, I hope Nuforce gets their Circle.

Hantra · « **Reply #30 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 12:06 pm »

I think you all missed my point.

My point was that the same people who are fighting against the NuForce Circle are going to be bitching because there will be posts regarding NuForce in Circles that they deem inappropriate. This is a traditionally liberal thing to do.

Example: Whine and cry that we aren't spending enough money on ________ (pick a social welfare program), and then whine and cry now because we are "spending out of control".

Wacko right wingers are guilty as well, but not nearly as much.

In fact the only example I can come up with of late is:

Whine and cry about the Schiavo woman and stage demonstrations, death threats, etc. because of your "choose life" mentality. The next night let's stand outside the prison and cheer when the lights go dim b/c a guy who can still feed himself no longer deserves to live.

It's all the same. I'm just not looking forward to all the whining and crying if NuForce doesn't get a Circle. That's all.

Rocket · « **Reply #31 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 01:20 pm »

Hi Guys,

I have voted yes for a nuforce circle. I think there product is very good and it would be great to have another quality manufacturer at audiocircle.

I personally don't understand what the harm will be for them to have a forum. There are a number of dud circles at audiocircle which are taking up room imo.

Anyway i'll watch with anticipation on the outcome.

Btw although i initially started the nuforce thread, i want to make it clear that i have no connection with the company.

Regards

Rod

Gordy · « **Reply #32 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 01:34 pm »

I'm undecided, but tending towards a no as Jason said he won't have the time for maintance and the threads are serving the purpose for now. I, too, am reminded of several manuf. circles that quickly disappeared/died once established... Once a few more owners are established, wouldn't a users circle be more appropriate anyway?

JoshK · « **Reply #33 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 01:42 pm »

Quote from: Gordy

I'm undecided, but tending towards a no as Jason said he won't have the time for maintance and the threads are serving the purpose for now. I, too, am reminded of several manuf. circles that quickly disappeared/died once established... Once a few more owners are established, wouldn't a users circle be more appropriate anyway?

A users circle would probably be the way to go if indeed the product is a hit and generates a community if Jason is unable to participate and manage his own circle. This is understandable for a slim operation just getting up to speed in a touch market that they don't have the time to keep up their own circle. If this is the case at least he is honest about his time constraints from the get go.

I do think the site does need to stick to established rules of self maintained communities in order to keep the community going. I don't think we, the community, want this site to become a volatile ebb and flow of the products du jour.

woodsyi · « **Reply #34 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 01:44 pm »

Quote from: Hantra

I'm gonna agree with Al G. Why make it hard? You guys are all like women. Everything has to be harder than it really is.

Hantra,
Who said women make things harder than it really is.

You think Elizabeth Cady Stanton was overstating the fact in 1848?

http://americanhistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.nps.gov/wori/declaration.htm

Now, don't go off saying this is just liberal whining!

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #35 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 01:56 pm »

JoshK :

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I do think the site does need to stick to established rules of self maintained communities in order to keep the community going. I don't think we, the community, want this site to become a volatile ebb and flow of the products du jour.

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miklorsmith · « **Reply #36 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 02:46 pm »

I'll take the whining that goes along with debated policy questions over ill-conceieved, unconsidered, swift execution any day. Hide the weenie, right. Gimme a freakin' break. At least the whiners aren't killing anyone.

Gordy · « **Reply #37 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 03:16 pm »

Rut roh, here we go... Limbo

Carlman · « **Reply #38 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 03:23 pm »

I don't think we need weird political analogies to figure this out. Jason's following the rules of the FAQ's and is making an earnest attempt.

I too think a 'User's Circle' is a good idea. What do you think, Jason?

woodsyi · « **Reply #39 on:** 21 Apr 2005, 03:42 pm »

I, too, think manufacturer's circle is premature but a user's circle would be a perfect fit as Jason doesn't have to "facilitate" it.

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